dave b, i posted somewhere a year or so ago about my pvc trees. i built a long white vinyl pvc fence. lots of left over parts; had to cut some of the bottoms of the post and rails etc. also, you can check for left overs from a fence company or plumbing company. i took those, drilled holes thru them and thread them on stiff rebar. then anchored them in in quickreted buckets. put some old bent fence posts x'd on bottom to keep upright. worked well. also, on some of them, i took some metal fence posts, drove them as far in as i could leaving a few feet out, then tied xmas trees and pvc trees to it with plastic duck decoy wire to keep trees upright. the post method was the easiest. easier to do as pond is filling . otherwise, get some scuba gear which is what i did on some of the trees/posts. hope this helps, mark williams ilovefishingmark wish i could find the pictures somewhere.