Dave, that is great information and I will test the oaks ASAP and hope for the best. Questions: Did you have the water chemically analyzed to see if the problem was indeed tanin? Do you think that maybe the chlorine contibuted to killing the fish after you began putting it in? Did you have any deer hides to cure? What do the folks from A&M know anyway-if you want quality information consult from a reputable school such as the University of Iowa or Iowa State! Thaks again and I will let you know the results. Terry