Theo: yes-a large balding north american ape. Didn't know if anyone would get it.

ewest: thanks I'll give otto a shout.

ML: I have the drive to do it myself but realize it is alot more than just digging a hole, especially with the heavy equip and muck removal. I figure it is worth having a contractor do it right instead of paying for inexperienced mistakes and possibly doing it wrong. Maby after further research I will attempt it or try another pond on the property that needs work after finish the main one.

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