ML,thanks for the reply.Just got thru reading your exchange with Bill Cody on Gizzard shad back in Nov.2004(good stuff).Now do you think it would be possible to sustain a pond that has only Gizzard shad for forage and HSB as the predator? Lets say you stock the pond with HSB,artificial feed for two years hoping for a size of around 16inches,good fertilization,intoduce gizzard shad,then slowly come off the artificial feed. Is that to unconventional.