Understanding that you want to add CC and YP to the existing newly stocked FHM&shiners, BG and LMB. You can do this, however you shouls understand what the fishery will be after 5-8 yrs.
Without going into a lot of detail:

1. Understand that CC do not "clean" the bottom. After they are around 16-17" they become predatory and are equivalent to a similar sized LMB. CC anglers like to use fish (live or dead) for bait. CC eat fish at night while LMB eat fish mostly during the day. One CC realistically takes the place of one LMB. CC can be good esp if you plan to remove them and eat them.

2. If you feed pellets, CC become pellet hogs and grow fast, both good and bad depending on opinion.

3. The FHM minnows will remain usually until the first spawn (recruitment) of LMB grows to 6"-8" and original stockers are 10-13" long. By then the bass will have eaten all the FHM despite how many FHM that you now have present. Unbelievable but true. EACH growing 12 " LMB can eat around 12-16 lbs of small fish per year. Do the math. Just 10 lbs of small fish X 50 LMB = 500 lbs of small fish.
Watch for what happens to the visual minnow density after the first bass spawn. FHM are basically used to jump start a new bass fishery to quickly get good sizes. After that jump start and bass are reproducing, any newly added FHM are only quick snacks which is why BGill are almost always used as the main long term forage food for LMB. Fish farms LOVE to sell FHM as quick snacks each year to pond owners who do not realize what existing LMB do to the new stocker FHM.
Golden shiners in some weedy ponds after 3-5yrs can sometimes maintain a resident low population density of large 7"-8" shiners IF good abundant cover is present. Good abundant cover is not a few X-mas trees. Good cover is 20%-30% of the shoreline with dense cover such as brush, etc. 1 to 4 ft deep. , .
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4. YP will do well with FHM, BG, & LMB (CC) temporarily. Emphasis on temporary. Once the LMB reproduce the first time,,,,, the 10"-12" LMB stockers and all LMB offspring begin eating high percentages of the slender bodied easy to catch young YP to the point after 4-5 years of bass reproducing,,, the LMB and existing larger CC as predators, they consume all or most all YP offspring; thus there will be very few if any new YP in the fishery after 5-7yrs. A 16" LMB can and do eat 6"- 8" YP. One 12"-14" LMB can eat around 350-500 fish per year. Do the math for the number of bass in your pond. The original stocker YP (10"-11") will be about the only YP remaining as the pond ages past 4 yrs. YP will have a life span of around 8 yrs. My studies show YP with LMB are not a good idea together unless lots of weeds or dense habitat (30%-50%) is present to protect young YP. . In a clean pond, LMB tend to eat all skinny body YP reproduction first, then bass will begin eating primarily BG. By then BG could be trending toward over crowding due to the bass for several years eating mostly the easy to catch and swallow YP while allowing BG to reproduce and often become overabundant. Exceptions do occur but rarely.

The only YP-LMB combos that I see successful are ones where every LMB larger than 10" that are caught are harvested. This allows some 6"-8" YP to be present and spawn to produce some new annual crops of young YP.

YP are best stocked with SMB and or hybrid striped bass, both have smaller mouths thus eating smaller YP while the predators have a lot less annual predator reproduction.

Last edited by esshup; 01/07/25 07:47 PM.

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