It might well be time to resurrect an old GSF, HBG, BG thread from the archives. Years ago JHAP and Dave From el Dorado Ca, and sprkplg were the leaders of several discussions, often lively, of the relative merits of the often maligned and under appreciated mutts of the sunfish world that were carrying GSF blood in their veins. I've been missing their contributions to the forum since they fell away from posting years ago. Bill D also had good things to say about his mutt pond.