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My 17 Acres in East Texas has gone from promising fishery to choked in less than a year. I've seen it develop grass before and the cold weather kill it back. This time seems different. We just got 50 grass carp but I'm not a big fan of taking a few years to control it. we have a huge flood plain - 1800 acres, so we get a lot of flow through. Step 1 is to identify the problem I'm thinking hydrilla - what say ye? And what do we use for control? https://photos.app.goo.gl/4fDGm3TCeNm9xEWw7https://photos.app.goo.gl/4DQqJoXVi9Z6khjS7
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17 ac. in East Texas. 1800 acre floodplain, Built in the drought of 2011. 17k CNBG 2012, 200 LMB 2013, 100BCP/WCP 2013, 50 CC 2013, 50 GC 2019, lots of FHM in '12, gar, grinnel and mudcats were included:)
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Pics won't open for me....
1.8 acre pond with CNBG, RES, HSB, and LMB
Trophy Hunter feeder.
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doh!
edited the links - try again?
thanks
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17 ac. in East Texas. 1800 acre floodplain, Built in the drought of 2011. 17k CNBG 2012, 200 LMB 2013, 100BCP/WCP 2013, 50 CC 2013, 50 GC 2019, lots of FHM in '12, gar, grinnel and mudcats were included:)
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If not Hydrila, then coon tail. No idea how to get rid of it easily. There are chemicals out there to kill it, but they do a number on your DO, when the grass dies.
.10 surface acre pond, 10.5 foot deep. SW LA. The epitome of a mutt pond. BG, LMB, GSF, RES, BH, Warmouth, Longear Sunfish, Gambusia,Mud Minnows, Crappie, and now shiners!!...I subscribe!!
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1.8 acre pond with CNBG, RES, HSB, and LMB
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+1 Grab a handful and crush it. If it smells bad, it's Chara
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Shows what I know. I thought chara grew closer to the bottom.
.10 surface acre pond, 10.5 foot deep. SW LA. The epitome of a mutt pond. BG, LMB, GSF, RES, BH, Warmouth, Longear Sunfish, Gambusia,Mud Minnows, Crappie, and now shiners!!...I subscribe!!
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Chara or possibly nitella. If crunchy & smells like garlic, chara.
I've got chara (smell test) and Tilapia seem to help keep it under control. No grass carp, not sure how effective they'd be with chara.
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7ac 2015 CNBG RES FHM 2016 TP FLMB 2017 NLMB GSH L 2018 TP & 70 HSB PK 2019 TP RBT 2020 TFS TP 25 HSB 250 F1,L,RBT -206 2021 TFS TP GSH L,-312 2022 GSH TP CR TFS RBT -234, 2023 BG TP TFS NLMB, -160
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How deep does chara grow, and will it top at on the surface?
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This stuff is growing mostly near the shore and thick up to about 4-5 ft. Occasional strands are showing out to 6 or 7 ft.
if you crush it, it doesn't smell.
I think I am agreeing that this is coontail.
How would you guys treat 17 acres with STRONG waterflow?
I am thinking start at the upstream end, see how it reacts and then move to the deeper/downstream areas in a few weeks.
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17 ac. in East Texas. 1800 acre floodplain, Built in the drought of 2011. 17k CNBG 2012, 200 LMB 2013, 100BCP/WCP 2013, 50 CC 2013, 50 GC 2019, lots of FHM in '12, gar, grinnel and mudcats were included:)
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You think your lake is bad now wait till those grass carp eat everything and you start getting blue-green algae blooms, it will happen.
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Some grass is definitely better than no grass. The trick is finding a happy medium. The grass provides cover, produces oxygen during the day and uses up excess nutrients.
A few grass carp will help thin it down, but the key is how many are necessary to give you the level of control you need. Too many and you've wiped it all out, opening the door for other issues (BGA for one).
The stocking experts can give you much more insight on how many, but the key is to be patient when you decide to stock them.. and make sure they're sterile and wont reproduce. You may have to tweak those numbers after a while (either adding or removing a few).
If they were legal in Louisiana, I'd go with tilapia, but if it gets really cold where you are, you'll be restocking every year.
Last edited by Mike Whatley; 03/26/19 03:35 PM.
.10 surface acre pond, 10.5 foot deep. SW LA. The epitome of a mutt pond. BG, LMB, GSF, RES, BH, Warmouth, Longear Sunfish, Gambusia,Mud Minnows, Crappie, and now shiners!!...I subscribe!!
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Any advice on best approach to herbicide for coontail in 17 acres?
thanks
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