bruce, i agree. great forum, and a great topic for everyone to reflect on their families. I'm soooo glad that me and all of my siblings turned out ok. otherwise, it would have gone something like:

well, i'm glad everyone's families are great. mine, well, ol billie is in prison down in Florida for smokin doobies and snorting crack, but i was always to busy to take him fishing, he tried tball, but i never went to the games, so i don't know how that turned out. he quit. was always a quitter anyway. my little sallie, well she shacked up with molly making pornos somewhere. and johnnie, little pissant drunk, stole my crack pipe and started wearing it around his waist like a belt to hold up his pink toto during his ballet classes and flute lessons.

(i could go on, but got patients waiting), i'm sure others would and can add on to the above with funny smart aleck comments that we all love to do sometimes.) mark any others? and to any dads out there with kids actually like this, well, sorry. do right with your grandkids, there is always a second chance.