dave, thanks for sharing your partner story. i knew everyone would like it. and all the other stories are great. my little girl is now 2 months old (and i just can't get her to cast yet, but we are working on the motions...wrist, back, shoulder, forward....wipe drool, release, wipe drool, burp....close bell. ahhh, someday, we'll get there!!) anyway, my girl is now 2 months old, and ol' shawn/svoberts is working on having a child soon. us young/new parents/to be really appreciate our "elders", and those who have had children for a while... stories, words of encouragement and wisdom (well, i guess i spoke for shawn, but i'm sure he would agree with me) dave, your partner is so lucky to have a mentor like you; he will be a better kid for it, i am sure of that. what a great topic. mark