andy, i still have to stick with my thoughts that for soild erosion in areas where spillways etc are, bermuda is great.. has worked for me, and i want soil retention, and i want that dang bermuda grass to cover every little bit it can around the pond to prevent erosion. but thanks for the info.

Your web site pics are absolutely amazing, beautiful pics. you have a real gift, those are amazing. i showed my nurses a few of the pics and they were very impressed. keep up the good job, and those of you who haven't seen the pics, click on his website listed above in his post. mark