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That's fantastic, Mobilus! The building looks great. I know what you mean about the visual impact a building has on a slab. We are just about finished with a pavilion that I began chronicling here a bit over a year ago (no updates for awhile) but the slab seemed huge till we got the structure in place. We even added a roughly 8' extension of concrete and it still feels really small!
Congrats on your progress - that's going to be a great building!
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Thanks, Loretta!
I finally got a bid on the closed cell spray insulation for the shop: $2500. I want to check with some other installers before ponying up.
For those of you with experience, should I install electrical components (outlets, light fixtures, etc) before or after the insulation? Your welcome! When comparing prices make sure the bids are for the same R value, ask how thick it will be. With closed cell spray insulation your cavity won't be filled up. My 4" walls had about as much insulation as Don said and there is enough room to still fish wires, the existing wires were sprayed over. It looks like your shop will be sprayed from the inside. The installer should have some advice on when you should wire as they will see your situation in person. My guess is you should wire first. My siding was removed and the insulation was sprayed from the outside (I have wood boards between my lathe and studs, house built c.1850). If you spray from the inside, I would put something down on your floor and tape or cover anything that could get overspray on it. Any overspray can be removed but it's easier to prevent the extra work involved in cleaning stuff up and it may stain(?). Also, the closed cell insulation doesn't trim up as neatly as you might think and with the cost, I wouldn't want to cut into it. For my application the closed cell insulation was the best option and I was really pleased with the results. Hope this helps. Loretta
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Don, thanks for the advice about the water lines. I'll probably have a water spigot in the bathroom wall...that way I can avoid having any along the walls. I can always stub one out on the front outside when I trench the water line in. The way our water restrictions are, I am planning on using rainwater catch for washing vehicles and equipment anyway. I think I'll only have an inch of foam sprayed on the walls, maybe two on the ceiling. If I can prevent the sun from turning it into an oven, that would be great. Todd, I pulled the truck into it for the first time today and looks are very deceiving...there was plenty of room, even for my crew cab. The plan is to build out the bathroom, and the workbench/tools/cabinets on the short end with the bathroom. I might build a loft there as well. One thing is for sure, everything not nailed down will be on casters. And thanks for the compliment. Loretta, I'll definitely wait and wire it first. That'll give me a couple paychecks' time to get the required green for the foam. I will definitely cover the floor. I want to stain it, probably a reddish brown...still looking into that. Yes, you have given me some good advice, and I appreciate it! Still have to do some trim and the door install, but we're getting close! Mark
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One final thought. I don't know if you plan on finishing off the ceiling but the spray on foam should be covered. It doesn't turn out super flat or attractive and it's not good if it's exposed to UV radiation.
It's moving along fast and I look forward to seeing it finished. I love watching projects like this. Good job!
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Hi Mark, your neighbor Kim here. I've been out of town a lot since mid-December, but back at home now for a few weeks. As you know, the previous owner of our property nearly burned down his/our shop building and half of the neighborhood a few years ago. When he restored the shed, rather than repainting the interior, he had foam sprayed into it. I haven't looked closely at how thick it is, but I've been very impressed at how cool/warm it stays in summer and winter. FWIW, a window that you can open in the summer and a vent on the roof will work wonders in keeping a shop cool. It lets natural convection move the hot air out of the space in the summer. We should be around all afternoon both days this weekend if you'd like to stop by and have a look at my pond project status and check out the insulation on the shop and how they did the wiring. See ya, Kim
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I have no idea how easily that foam burns. Ask the company. I don't know if a welding spark or something like that would light it. I don't know if it should be covered or left exposed.
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I insulated a tank system on a life cycle tester with a 2 part urethane foam insulation kit. A spark from the torch found it's way down a small gap thru the cover and lit it right up! I dumped a bucket of water on the cover first, then scrambled to remove the cover and put the rest of it out. What a mess! It burned the paint off the machine in that area and it was a real joy cleaning up all the charred stuff.
I would think the flammability ratings have improved a bit since then.
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Most shops with insulation have a sheeting of tin on the inside to help prevent the insulation from catching fire.
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I have no idea how easily that foam burns. Ask the company. I don't know if a welding spark or something like that would light it. I don't know if it should be covered or left exposed. Yes, ask the contractor, I do believe it should be covered.
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Thanks, Loretta!
I finally got a bid on the closed cell spray insulation for the shop: $2500. I want to check with some other installers before ponying up.
For those of you with experience, should I install electrical components (outlets, light fixtures, etc) before or after the insulation? We did 2# closed cell foam in our house. I had the first inch sprayed in before the wiring, then we had the wiring installed and then the final foam sprayed. Stuff the electrical boxes with fiberglass insulation to keep out the overspray. I know that by code our ICF basement foam needed to be finished/covered due to fire risk.
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Loretta, I don't know if there is a difference in the foam, installation, or what, but most buildings down here are foamed and not covered...except for the lower walls. I was looking at the websites of a few of the installers here and it looks like they spray the insulation and leave it be...especially the ceilings. Some paint it though, and it looks pretty good. They also spray the stuff on the top of buildings, both flat roof and pitched, so they must have the UV problem solved.
Kim, I hadn't even thought about the cooling aspect of having windows...duh! I always thought that if I built a traditional gable roofed shop I'd install a working cupola, but I don't know about this roof. I'll consider a window! I've got a giant porta-cool and plan on using it...they do a pretty good job. I will definitely come by sometime soon, if not this weekend, definitely the next. My father-in-law is in hospice care and will only be around a few more days.
esshup, JKB and jludwig: the guy I talked to so far said they spray a fire retardant top coat if left exposed...at least that's what I heard, I still have a lot to learn about the stuff. I'd think that due to the cost of the insulation alone that it'd be a smart move to provide some sort of protection, whether that be tin or plywood.
Hesperus, by the time I scrape together the cash required to do the insulation, I should get some immediate feedback on the effectiveness! It'll probably be getting warm here! This journey is really just starting!
I am still waiting on the roll-up door; it is supposed to be installed by Friday. Thank you all for your interest and advice!
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Well, the insulation guy hasn't returned either of my 2 calls so I figure to clean and roll on some sealer on the top and paint the sides.
Larry, I'm not sure anything will really work but I'm going to try. The container has a couple of small air vents on each side but they can't be all that effective.
Mama is on the warpath about the $ flowing out of the checking account so spray in insulation might just be a future project.
It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.
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Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Dave,
I have kept my 4 wheelers in a 40 foot container for years.... no real issues that I have seen.
Thanks, Gary Mac (formerly GaryTexas, but couldn't get my old account active again)
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It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.
Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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It has been a while since I posted on this thread. 2014 as started off with multiple challenges. One of them required us to utilize the shop as a storage unit until our house is remodeled. Although I was disheartened about having to postpone any more work on the shop for a few months, at least we had it available and didn't have to move everything into a storage unit in town. Here's a picture with the door on:
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Update: We are officially back in our house...buying furnishings and ringing out small problems from the rebuild, but we are HOME!
Now to get that shop emptied and get some wiring started!
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Update: What two years and a lot of hard work have brought... It's getting there...slowly.
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Really nice. Having doors is great. I have an open front shed I keep my small tractor, UTV, pickup, etc in and have threatened to close it off with overhead doors. Everything gets so dusty with it open even though there are no nearby fields or anything to make it dusty.
We finally had a small 20x20 garage built specifically for our 4 motorcycles and it is soooooo nice to have specific storage that is easily used (as opposed to moving things around every time we wanted something out).
You are going to enjoy it!
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Does it have a flat roof, or slightly sloped to rear?
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If you look in the older pictures John you can see a slight slope to the back.
Those Texas guys don't have to worry about snow load much!
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Thanks, snrub! And yes, doors for the big bay are coming, but I'm adding to the shop as I get money saved for it...so, maybe by winter. We've had a couple of driving rains from the west that have made me wish they were already installed. You're right about the slope, we can build almost flat...this one is 13' on the front and 12' on the backside, over a 30' span. I'm not sure what the pitch is, less than .5%? In the future, I'd like to put a full-span awning across the front. Having rescued enough lights from a contractor friend who was scrapping them for a ransom of a single case of beer, I found that I had to replace the ballasts (9.xx each on Amazon) but still had less than $12 a fixture for 4 bulb T8s. Good enough for me! Installed a roll-up door between the lift bay and the big bay...thinking that any debris from metalwork will be separated from "clean" work. And something I recommend that everyone that does much maintenance gets...a lift. I use it constantly and think it is the best tooling the shop.
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WOW; coming along nicely. BTW, isn't it great to FINALLY need some slope for rain?
It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.
Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Agreed, looking great!
Glad to see progress.
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Thanks, gentlemen!
Yes, it is, Dave! We got a little rain today, actually. We might make it through the summer without brown grass!
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What year nova is that? Your shop is very nice. I too installed a lift in my shop. Don't know how I ever got along without it!!
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