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I have a 5 acre lake, two years old. My bream are plump and ready to start catching. My problem is trying to catch them and not catch my young Black bass and even more so the HSB> i put 150 HSB in a couple of months ago and have 3 feeders running twice a day for them but they still hit anything I throw for the bream. They are about 12" long now and I'm really excited about how fast they are growing. I just worry that by the time they get big, they will be too smart to catch If I keep catching them on my fly rod now.
How do others fish around them without catching them?
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I haven't been able to. Fishing with a 1/100th oz. jighead and a Berkly power bait "creature" I still catch them.....
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What type of LMB ?
Would be interested in anyone with experience on reduced HSB catachability. That is not indicated in the printed information out there that I have seen. Same question for HBG.
Several threads and PB mag articles on reduced catachability and possible solutions.
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I wouldnt worey about it. You will be able to catch them many times. You might kill one once in a while. Ive been tagging basss for 6yr now and seem to catch more tagged ones than not. I tag 10 11in. each year now and keep everthing without a tag.My son caught a 7lb 14oz er that was taged in 2010 and caught measured and weighed 3 previous times.It on the wall now.
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My limited experience - I have a very small pond (1/10th acre) with HSB and yellow perch. I readily catch two bass an evening and then they turn off. I mean turn off. If I fish during feeding time using Stubby Steve's I can catch one, maybe two before they figure me out. They have short memories though and forget after a day or two. I know I have caught the same fish multiple times over the years based on their unique markings. In summary I do not believe fishing for HSB reduces catchability so long as my expectations are not to fish daily in my small puddle. I have only ever caught two perch. I am the worst perch fisherman in the world.
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My older HSB in my 1 acre pond wont bite anything hardly. I can hardly tell I even have them, I might catch a couple a year that's it. They will learn and they are smart! I just put in 25, more 10 inch HSB last month or so ago and I have caught some of them pretty quick... but the 4 pounders... are very hard for me to catch.... I've had best luck on a bobber with a big shiner... They will still eat AM 600 from time to time but they are so big now it's really just a crumb to them... It would be interesting to see if they would hit the AM BASS food... better...
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Years ago, I fished a small pond that was adjacent to a fishing club's larger lake. The pond held an abundance of LMB, BG, CC and HSB - and received plenty of fishing-pressure. Targeting the large HSB with conventional lures was impossible - presumably because they were well fed and educated. That said, they couldn't resist a dry "fly" that closely resembled their regular feed-pellet rations.
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Our HBG absolutely display hook shyness. I cringe at the notion that they are a great kids fish, and will readily bite anything. Maybe that's the case however in a larger BOW, and/or with limited fishing pressure, especially if catch and release is not in play.
Essentially, I'm the only angler in our 2/3 acre HBG pond, and it's strictly C&R. Probably fish it 2-3 times a week. Those HBG are very wary, and difficult to catch unless you show them something they haven't seen before, then you will catch 4-5 before they catch on.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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There is a big difference between a fish population turning off and reduced catch ability in a fish. When a fish is hooked (under stress) they produce/secrete a danger chemical that other fish sense. Thus turn off .
More later and that is why I ask for experiences as nothing in info I have seen about the subject of reduced catchability inn HBG and HSB.
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If we accept that fish are subject to conditioning, is it such a leap to surmise that a small population in a small pond will become hookshy after a few years of C&R?
If I recall correctly, and pretty sure I do, that was the entire reason Stubby Steve's was created in the first place....to try and entice conditioned, hookshy HSB.
I'm all for scientific trials and tests, publications and research. But I'm beginning to wonder if we, those of us here on PB, might be encountering instances and scenarios not fully explored in academic circles. Maybe we're ahead of the curve a little, and by having held, raised, fed, fished for, examined, aged, tagged, and caged, many thousands of one specific fish over the years, we begin to question the status quo. A few years ago the idea of HSB in ponds was dismissed by academia. The notion that you could damage a BG population by angling was laughed at, yet now we know better.
And right now, today, we still advise against stocking crappie in a small BOW, but there are some here who are apparently seeing success with this idea. I'm not convinced stocking crappie is a good idea, yet....but I'm watching, just in case a new chapter gets added to the "next edition" of the final word already in print.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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That is why we are always pushing the Cutting Edge here and in PB mag.
The point is we know catchability is an inherited trait in LMB , BG and a couple other species. What we don't know is does that exist in hybrids like HSB and HBG.
Sprk pm me an email and I will send you some info on HBG in ponds.
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Thanks ewest, I'll do that!
I think I'm confused...can we have an inherited trait in a fish that doesn't reproduce, OR a fish that should not be allowed to recruit under optimum management strategies?
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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If there are no surviving offspring then that population is extinct. If there are offspring that survive to adulthood and they can reproduce then the possibility exists that any trait can survive. That is why I ask. Plus who knows what traits exist in the F-1 generation - also why I ask. In addition I have not read any such info on the Monroe species striped bass (Morone saxatilis) and the white bass (M. chrysops). .
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That is why we are always pushing the Cutting Edge here and in PB mag. And pushing the cutting edge means sometimes destroying commonly accepted almost religious dogma of what we "know" and previously commonly thought as "proven". The world ain't flat no more!!!!! Makes for lively discussion at times!
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That is why we are always pushing the Cutting Edge here and in PB mag. And pushing the cutting edge means sometimes destroying commonly accepted almost religious dogma of what we "know" and previously commonly thought as "proven". The world ain't flat no more!!!!! Makes for lively discussion at times! Testify, brother snrub........
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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The "Cutting Edge" is a article in each PB mag dedicated to new or interesting science. Science is always testing what we know , think we know and are sure we don't know.
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