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That's just awesome! I am really routing for you to have fertile eggs this year!
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Excellent! Pics?
Hope to see the difference between nonfertilized and fertilized.
12 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (decreasing), SMB, and HSB (only two have been seen in 5 yrs)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
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I have them too! Some on Christmas trees, some on the bottom. None on the sumac tree I sunk. Looks like fine brances it is!
The cool part is I caught some of the action this evening. I saw the large individual females being followed by a swarm of smaller males in several places. I did not witness the actual egg laying though, but they seemed oblivious to my presence.
It turns out I have a ton of perch, and the BCP are barely making an appearance.
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Found several more ribbons yesterday. I would say there are 20 new ones. Most of the others have dissolved. Some down on the dam, which is the south bank.
Snow on the ground this morning, and 34 degrees, that may slow things down a bit?
12 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (decreasing), SMB, and HSB (only two have been seen in 5 yrs)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
Otter attack in 2023.
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Bill Cody, yesterday I got the perch at the fishery in Ohio you pointed me to. 100+ extras 3-4 inch but they looked bigger then that. Never lost one from shock. Bought some food for feeding. I've never had perch so this is new and exciting.
I have lots of structure for the perch to spawn on but I was wondering if they would spawn on the dead cattails that lay thickly underwater?
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John, you're gonna love those YP. They are fun to watch eat. After they get used to you being there while they feed I wouldn't be surprised if ya can't get some good pics of them.
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I sure like having YP. They haven't been in a year, and I've eaten several, have now seen them "hopefully" spawning. So I should have more in the future.
Just wish they were a little easier to catch.. But that may reflect more on my fishing ability, than the fishes catch-ability.
12 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (decreasing), SMB, and HSB (only two have been seen in 5 yrs)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
Otter attack in 2023.
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They are easy to catch if you remember two things:
1. Keep your bait close to the bottom.
2. Small minnows are the best bait.
I use a slip bobber rig and fish the minnow about 12 inches off the bottom. I also twitch it once in a while to get any nearby perch's attention.
If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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They are easy to catch if you remember two things:
1. Keep your bait close to the bottom.
2. Small minnows are the best bait.
I use a slip bobber rig and fish the minnow about 12 inches off the bottom. I also twitch it once in a while to get any nearby perch's attention.
Cecil, What size hook and how are you hooking the minnows, i.e. thru the tail, thru the nose, etc?
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We use a 8th ounce jig orange or white in the summer when things are slow with a minnow right on the bottom. Bounce once or twice then hold at about 12"s from bottom wait for the bite.
Spring same jig but with bobber slip or other and a worm. Spring perch just love worms.
Crayfish for the really big perch. The little guys seam to leave the crayfish alone.
Cheers Don.
P.S. no ribbons here in ontario yet.
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They are easy to catch if you remember two things:
1. Keep your bait close to the bottom.
2. Small minnows are the best bait.
I use a slip bobber rig and fish the minnow about 12 inches off the bottom. I also twitch it once in a while to get any nearby perch's attention.
Cecil, What size hook and how are you hooking the minnows, i.e. thru the tail, thru the nose, etc? Through the nose and about a size 8 hook. On an interesting note when I still had largemouth bass I set ice tip ups with the biggest shiners I could buy. Never got a bass but caught a few 14 to 15 inch yellow perch.
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If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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Thanks. Might just try it this summer. I stocked my first YP at 5 to 7 inches in the fall of 2014 and have not tried fishing for them yet. Probably time to do some sampling this summer.
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When you do the sampling, let the wife do the cooking and let us know how they were!
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Thanks for the tips. I will try all. I've caught most with minnows so far. But I may have used a bit bigger hook, and had the minnow hooked through the back. I also experiment with a lot of different depths. I'm wondering if they shut down when my canoe floats overhead?
I'm going to try right off the bottom also.
12 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (decreasing), SMB, and HSB (only two have been seen in 5 yrs)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
Otter attack in 2023.
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When you do the sampling, let the wife do the cooking and let us know how they were! I know a guy that has a thai wife too. Oh my God can that woman cook!
If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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Guys, I gave up trying to guess what's for dinner at my house years ago. My bride may serve curry from India one night followed by southern fried chicken the next. When we lived overseas she made apple pies for a benefit at the American Club. For the next month, American women were at my house when I got home from work learning how to make apple pie! I think she's a keeper!  And she loves to fish!!!! Edit: I mentioned to her I would like to try fish tacos early last week. Thursday night she made fish tacos out of Tilapia. Wow!...corn and avocadoes and....in a taco??? Awesome!
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Sheesh, I just ate, and now I am hungry again! Stop!
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Bill, youuu SCHMUCK. I have ta eat my own cookin and it sucks!
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Toads peeping last night. I expect to see some ribbons in the next few days.
Cheers Don.
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Weather hit a cool down, fronts coming through this week, wind, rain, cool temps day and night. Still no ribbons in Michigan.
The fish are becoming more active though. I'm seeing more GSH coming to the traps. It is great to see that I have a range of GSH from 4-6" now. I was thinking of restocking but if there are a handful of 5-6" shiners in the pond now then they are safe from predation with perch being the top current predator. Hopefully they will spawn again this year and I won't need to restock.
Catching zero FHM in the traps, probably should put a few more thousand of those in.
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Weather hit a cool down, fronts coming through this week, wind, rain, cool temps day and night. Still no ribbons in Michigan.
The fish are becoming more active though. I'm seeing more GSH coming to the traps. It is great to see that I have a range of GSH from 4-6" now. I was thinking of restocking but if there are a handful of 5-6" shiners in the pond now then they are safe from predation with perch being the top current predator. Hopefully they will spawn again this year and I won't need to restock.
Catching zero FHM in the traps, probably should put a few more thousand of those in. After two years our FHM are all but gone. I would not put any more in my pond because they can't keep up to the perch. The shiners are much faster and populate well. Cheers Don.
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Don, how can you tell if the perch can live on shiners alone? I agree, my shiners are doing better than the FHM but it was my hope to keep both populations going, maybe now with adult perch reaching the 9" range that there is no hope of getting FHM back on track, even if I stock the larger 2" or bigger FHM?
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I'm interested to hear what Donno says.
Here's what I think.
FHM, due to their slow swimming speed, and the male nest guarding habits, are easy pickings unless there is ample cover/habitat for them that excludes predators - a "safe haven" so to speak. Without ample prey fish specific habitat, I think they will be easy pickings in a pond and won't last more than a few years. Especially if they are the only forage fish.
GSH are broadcast spawners, lay and forget. FHM, even the largest specimens can be eaten by large YP. I was catching YP last Spring on 4" and 5" minnow imitation jerk baits.
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..... The shiners are much faster and populate well.
Cheers Don. Dono, Are the shiners you're referring to Emeralds or do you have another species of shiner as well?
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Weather hit a cool down, fronts coming through this week, wind, rain, cool temps day and night. Still no ribbons in Michigan.
The fish are becoming more active though. I'm seeing more GSH coming to the traps. It is great to see that I have a range of GSH from 4-6" now. I was thinking of restocking but if there are a handful of 5-6" shiners in the pond now then they are safe from predation with perch being the top current predator. Hopefully they will spawn again this year and I won't need to restock.
Catching zero FHM in the traps, probably should put a few more thousand of those in. After two years our FHM are all but gone. I would not put any more in my pond because they can't keep up to the perch. The shiners are much faster and populate well. Cheers Don. If you had exclusively pellet trained female only perch and a place for the fatheads to hide I believe your fatheads would last. I had that situation in the past and had thousands of mostly unmolested fatheads.
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If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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