Wow, that's quite a drive. I've been by their twice in the last couple years but due to having a car load of family, was never able to stop in. I have a question for you and anyone else that might know the answer. Would it br feasible to cross coppernose with bluegill to form a sort of F-1 bluegill? I've never seen this mentioned here. I always assumed it would be similar to trying to cross shellcracker with bluegill; since they spawn at different water temps I would imagine that would be very difficult. Thank You for the info on the F-1's. I think I will try them when the time comes. After rereading "Raising Trophy Bass" last night and this morning before work I realized that the issue of F-1's losing that hybrid vigor in future generations can be minimized by adding other F-1's from outside my ponds gene pool from time to time as a methos of keeping the gene pool fresher and less likely to have as much spawning between family members. Greg, thanks for the help.