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I'm going through my notes, but only found one photo with a positive female ID. I don't normally keep RES, but here's one where I did. Don't have any "after" photos as proof, but my records indicate the fish was filleted and verified. I will try for better photos, and before and after verification from now on. What do you think? Female RES I went to sleep thinking about this photo, and woke up still dwelling on it. It's listed as a female RES in my notes, but it just doesn't look right. There's surely some BG in there. Those were my thoughts too Tony. I see a few natural hybrids from time to time on a few local lakes.
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My goodness, Al!!! That fish is gorgeous!
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....and definitely a male.
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Thanks Bruce. I wish I could take credit for it, but I never gave that 15% of the old stocking much thought.
I'll research the archives and get a better grip on them. Get ready for stupid questions. I guess despite the fact that I've had them for years, I'm a day-oner.
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Nice examples. Can't argue with either assessment.
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You've got me wondering about my photo all over again, Shorty.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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I think these are two females and one male. I agree with that too, Steve. Tony - I agree f RES - but see where you might suspect some faint BG genetics now that I look again. Al - great RES - well done.
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To be honest with you, I've always had significant reservations about the above photo. The fish on the upper left that's designated as a female RES, looks nothing like the females I've ever seen. I've always regarded that fish as a male that simply isn't in full spawning regalia. The eartab looks very "male" to me. I don't because those fish were picked and examined by Greg -- he should know based on an actual exam.
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Good point! To complicate matters I wonder if RES have the equivalent of "cucks" and "sneaks" like BG do? I don't think so based on spawning methods - but you never know for sure. Very little written on RES spawning and life style.
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I think these are two females and one male. Agree !
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I'm going through my notes, but only found one photo with a positive female ID. I don't normally keep RES, but here's one where I did. Don't have any "after" photos as proof, but my records indicate the fish was filleted and verified. I will try for better photos, and before and after verification from now on. What do you think? Female RES I went to sleep thinking about this photo, and woke up still dwelling on it. It's listed as a female RES in my notes, but it just doesn't look right. There's surely some BG in there. I think there are some BG genes in this fish. See pectoral fin shape and length.
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Thanks Eric. My pond has been covered in weeds and clear as a bath tub the last 2 years. It's starting to make sense now.
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To be honest with you, I've always had significant reservations about the above photo. The fish on the upper left that's designated as a female RES, looks nothing like the females I've ever seen. I've always regarded that fish as a male that simply isn't in full spawning regalia. The eartab looks very "male" to me. I don't because those fish were picked and examined by Greg -- he should know based on an actual exam. Good enough for me!
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Good point! To complicate matters I wonder if RES have the equivalent of "cucks" and "sneaks" like BG do? I don't think so based on spawning methods - but you never know for sure. Very little written on RES spawning and life style. Very true.
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Very little written on the spawning and lifestyle is quite true, and especially interesting given the fact that RES have the potential to grow at least 50% bigger than standard bluegill.
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I think oftentimes RES are not utilized to their full potential. It's common to hear of RES being stocked in a new pond, along with BG, as forage insurance. Or to help control, or head off, a possible parasite problem. And that's sound strategy on both counts.
But in both of those instances the RES are utilized in a supporting fashion, rather than a lead role. As Bruce stated, RES have the potential to grow larger than BG, they fight very hard on appropriate tackle, and they tend not to overpopulate and stunt....in addition to the whole snail/parasite thing.
Sounds pretty good to me. I'd nail a star on their dressing room door.
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If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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I'd nail a star on their dressing room door.
Same here!! I get the fact that they lack the fecundity of a bluegill, and also struggle a little further north, but MAN...3 pounds is three pounds.
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Female, right?
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I would consider that a female.
And a nice one at that!
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"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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Female, right? Looks female to me, a nice one too!
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Yes and a very nice one as well. One thing I see often is that larger female RES have more of an orange dot on the ear tab while the males have a larger ear tab margin which is red. That does not rise to the level of a male/female established morphological trait but seems to be a hint.
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Notes say spring of this year, no sex listed. Has a pretty well defined border on the opercular, looks orangeish, also appears swollen in vent area....female? One from not too long ago...border appears more reddish to me?
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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