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Anyone experiencing trouble with getting AQ? I've had mine on order for almost 3 weeks now, and my supplier keeps relating that it's on backorder?
Ran out last night, hope they get this resolved shortly.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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Game fish chow could hold you over...that always seems to be available ...
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I considered that, may have to go that route if I can't obtain the AQ very soon.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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Well...I'm pretty irritated with Land O'Lakes right now. They made a dubious decision. "They've" (upper management) has decided to focus mainly on their core products, meaning that there will be no urgency to make some of their line of lower volume products. AquaMax fits into that category. What's more irritating is that production and manufacturing haven't go to battle to help secure AquaMax, even from a third party manufacturer. So, the supply in the warehouse is gone, they have no supply line at the moment and only one person inside that organization is going to bat to see to it that we have product. He's working with a contract mill to make the feed for Purina and get it into their distribution lines. I've asked how long that will take, and he isn't positive, but thinks it could be as long as three to four weeks. What's most irritating is that the decision makers didn't inform anyone of their decision, even within the company. Now, the sales force is learning about it and they aren't happy. I'm writing a letter right now to express our utter displeasure with this uneducated, dubious decision. Best feed on the market and you don't want to make it? Really?
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That's not good!! I have one bag! I also have 3 on order and have not heard from my guy? Maybe this is why.... Ughh Please keep us posted Bob when you can sir!! Thanks, RC
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Well...I'm pretty irritated with Land O'Lakes right now. They made a dubious decision. "They've" (upper management) has decided to focus mainly on their core products, meaning that there will be no urgency to make some of their line of lower volume products. AquaMax fits into that category. What's more irritating is that production and manufacturing haven't go to battle to help secure AquaMax, even from a third party manufacturer. So, the supply in the warehouse is gone, they have no supply line at the moment and only one person inside that organization is going to bat to see to it that we have product. He's working with a contract mill to make the feed for Purina and get it into their distribution lines. I've asked how long that will take, and he isn't positive, but thinks it could be as long as three to four weeks. What's most irritating is that the decision makers didn't inform anyone of their decision, even within the company. Now, the sales force is learning about it and they aren't happy. I'm writing a letter right now to express our utter displeasure with this uneducated, dubious decision. Best feed on the market and you don't want to make it? Really?
Bob, this is Frank (yes, still in hold mode on pond. Maybe it will dry off enough by August!) Re AquaMax, do you think it would help if PB people here were to call, email, or send snail mail regarding this? You have a lot of influence, no doubt about it, but your words would have even more if a bunch of other people chimed in. Just a thought. If you agree, what would be the best way PB folks could share their concerns?
7ac 2015 CNBG RES FHM 2016 TP FLMB 2017 NLMB GSH L 2018 TP & 70 HSB PK 2019 TP RBT 2020 TFS TP 25 HSB 250 F1,L,RBT -206 2021 TFS TP GSH L,-312 2022 GSH TP CR TFS RBT -234, 2023 BG TP TFS NLMB, -160
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I think that might be a great idea. I'll bounce it off my contacts and see what they say. We might need a good, old-fashioned uprising.
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FWIW I only hand feed as a supplement and my enjoyment. I feed NovaOP made by Skretting. It is a high protein fishmeal based pellet and comes in many sizes. My fish seem to love it. Maybe a pellet you could try to hold you over till AquaMax comes back? I don't know about availability. I get mine from Keystone.
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An [expensive] option for short term use--go to the Skretting USA website [not the int'l website]-they have an online store. Skretting bought Silver Cup, and has continued to make product in Utah. Their 7.5mm floating trout pellets are an outstanding substitute for AM 600. They'll ship it Fed Ex ground, it'll come within 5 days, at least from Utah to TN. It's beautiful food, fresh, well formed. Skretting could take over the pond food business if they ever put their mind to it-take a look at all the options they make. I've tried to support AM as I know they're supporters of the Pond Boss universe...but gosh, this is getting ridiculous.
The Sdretting food is expensive to ship. Unfortunate but not unexpected; unless they set up a distribution network, they're probably not a threat to Purina. Unless someone like Rex buys a couple pallets and starts distributing........
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Oh great. I'm supposed to be part of a pond seminar on Thursday on feeding......... Partially hosted by you guessed it - Purina.
Looks like I'll be running to my local supplier tomorrow and seeing what they have in inventory.
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I'm with Yolk. It's time for another producer to step up, especially in regards to distribution.
Thanks for the insight, Bob. Was wondering why my suppliers kept looking down and scuffing the floor with their shoes whenever I asked what was going on.
This sucks.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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FWIW IMHO, even though Skretting's primary business is selling fish pellets, even with a good distribution network, they will be higher priced due to the cost of the ingredients they use. They use fishmeal instead of poultry by products as their source of protein. I suspect this is why their products are higher in protein and lipids, but I am definitely not an expert. I figured there has to be a reason fish farms are their primary customers when those guys could buy a less expensive pellet.
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Every time we've had a PB conference I've talked to the good intentioned Purina representatives. I've talked to many of the regularly rotated and enthusiastic regional reps a number of times. When I call back a month or two later, they've been replaced by a new enthusiastic rep without any power. Most have never even heard of us (Pond Boss). I eventually give them my ever-so-impressive elected title, that I hold only because nobody else wants it. They again get enthused, but there is no follow-thru. I've posted my disappointments here many times. It is like one of the lines from a Tom T. Hall song: . Well, I told him who I was and told him I was working steady. And I really should be gettin' on my way. That part about me bein' who I was did not impress him He said, "The judge'll be here any day."
If we were to get a group together, could we convince them to sell us the rights to manufacture and market the Aquamax products? It may be the only way I can get any.
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I ordered four bags to be picked up next week. Should be interesting.
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I ordered four bags to be picked up next week. Should be interesting. Fred - keep us posted. I believe you are one of the people who can reliably get Aquamax, and who provides it to other Pond Boss friends as far as two states away from you. Is your warehouse big enough to hold several tractor trailer loads of Aquamax? Ken
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Yup, we have a big warehouse you arrange it, I'll store it.
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So, the supply in the warehouse is gone, they have no supply line at the moment
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Just to clear the record, Purina Aqua Max does not derive it's protein from poultry products - rather from menhaden - pure fish protein. I don't know if Bill was intimating this or not - I just thought someone should address it so there's no confusion.
Al uses Cargill, and he likes it. They made a play at the market a while back and even came to PB conference. I have no clue if they are still trying to gain a market share or not, but believe they still produce it. If AM is not available, might be worth investigating Cargill availability.
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Yep, I've been using 1/4" Cargill for about 2 years now, and both the CNBG and I like it a lot. It stores in the summer heat very well, so I usually get enough for 6-7 months at a time. The ingredient numbers/content and price are very similar to Purina.
I still use Purina if I want some different sized food, so I hope they get this all straightened out. I just can't believe the private pond market is so limited that they would drop the the ball, even temporarily, and allow pond owners to look for other sources. IMO, the market is Purina's for the taking, they just need to make the food available in a timely manor.
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Scott, Last Saturday I bought the last 3 bags of AM 600 from MM. If you need a bag, give me a shout, we can arrange it.
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Yep, I've been using 1/4" Cargill for about 2 years now, and both the CNBG and I like it a lot. It stores in the summer heat very well, so I usually get enough for 6-7 months at a time. The ingredient numbers/content and price are very similar to Purina.
I still use Purina if I want some different sized food, so I hope they get this all straightened out. I just can't believe the private pond market is so limited that they would drop the the ball, even temporarily, and allow pond owners to look for other sources. IMO, the market is Purina's for the taking, they just need to make the food available in a timely manor. We have been using Cargill for a number of years since Purina Aquamax provided subpar feed and poor delivery service. It was a major disapointment with Purina for me having used AQMX for some 10 years with excellent results. George
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Just to clear the record, Purina Aqua Max does not derive it's protein from poultry products - rather from menhaden - pure fish protein. I don't know if Bill was intimating this or not - I just thought someone should address it so there's no confusion. TJ, I got the "Poultry By Products" from this thread. http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=304252&page=allThanks for clarifying.
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I remembered that thread when I read Bob's comment about Purina working with a contract mill to make the AQ for them. On one hand, I'm glad someone on the inside is attempting to produce product, but on the other, the skeptic in me wonders what the end result might be.
As I recall, there have been issues with dirty extruders in the past, leading to variances in product sizing.
Purina AQ is an tremendous product. What it has done to help my fish is nothing short of amazing in my eyes, and I fervently hope that this issue is resolved in a timely fashion. However I can't afford to just stand by and think good thoughts..I need feed now, not later. Coming out of the cold water period, I haven't had the chance to stockpile feed for the summer.
I am researching alternatives, and have contacted Cargill and Skretting, regarding their dealer networks and distribution. I hope to hear back soon. In the meantime, I intend to order 2-3 bags of Skretting to hold me over. Yes, the shipping is expensive. But the product appears very comparable to AQ, nutrition and ingredient wise, and who knows...my fish may prefer it over the AQ.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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I ordered 16 bags of AQ a couple weeks ago from my local dealer, but nothing has arrived yet. I guess this explains the delay, b/c the turnaround time in the past was fairly quick.
I was little lucky in that my dealer had a couple leftover bags of AQ600 with a July, 2014 manufacture date still in his storage. We opened them up and they appeared to be good. So I took them the same day that I placed my order. That'll tide me over for a little while.
With what I am reading in this thread, I am going to be proactive and contact the local Cargill dealer on Monday about sourcing some feed from them. I hate to do this, but....I don't want to be out of feed when the water warms up & the fish's appetites are kicking into gear.
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I bought a feeder last week. I sent Purina a email on where I might be able to find AM.. Never heard back from them. Now I'm thinking, maybe I should have worked out the food side of the equation before I bought the feeder. Of course I don't have any fish yet, so it's a bit theoretical. (But they are coming.. )
9 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep. RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these. I think that's about all I should put in my little pond. Otter attack in 2023
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