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I think Esshup nailed it. There are a lot of folks who simply see that splash of red and declare it a redear. And those that do recognize it as a PS, still aren't familiar with the hybrids of either species. My plan is to take several pics of my original BG and PS stockers next summer. I am thinking that if I do get the cross, I will have a baseline on the original genetic features for later comparison.
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Bill, I think a lot of people can't really ID fish correctly. I've seen GSF and RES called bluegills or it's a "sunfish". That encompasses anything that is not a bass, pike, catfish or perch. Unless you are in Texas, then it could be a "purch". I'd better be careful or I'll be hung in a few weeks!!! You'll be fine man. I hear they are just a bunch of fun loving guys.....but I wouldn't go on any late night boat rides! It was Al that went on the boat ride, and that was in Nebraska!! (it was a VERY short lived boat ride for Al)
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Here are 2 pics of confirmed PS X BG crosses via WiscFish. A great site for lepomis crosses except RES as they are not present in Wisc (at least not the site).
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Thanks. IMO Not as pretty as a pure PS. Maybe their coloring is not developed yet as they apper to be young fish.
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PSxBG caught in Wisconsin. PS from same lake Sorry for the terrible hybrid pic. It was taken with the phone, but the sun glare on the screen was terrible and that's what I got.
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Still nice pics. I think I can see enough of the pumpkingill to note there is no orange at the opercular tab. Correct?
Still, none of the photos I can find online look like the fish from my youth fishing the back waters of the Flat Rock River. Those fish had none of the darker green coloration. Imagine a fish where you replace that darker green with a turqoise color blue. That's what we caught back then. They were small, maybe 5 to 6 inches and had a more platter shape.
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Correct, no orange. That weekend I think there were 3 or 4 hybrids caught.
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This forum has me second guessing everything I thought I knew about bluegill and redear! It looks like I have honestly caught very few pure strain bluegill or redear.I would say at this point most panfish were a hybrid cross or maybe just mutts(would that make them dogfish?)
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Esshup I have looked through the sunfish ID thread.It just seems like growing up fishing several farm ponds and Monroe Reservoir we caught a lot of bluegill that were not really a true bluegill. As I get closer to stocking my own pond I still struggle with the decision to stock BG or HBG!
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What to stock in your pond will depend on your goals. If you want LMB in the pond to get to any size, then you will have to stock regular BG. If you want to grow large BG, then you could stock Hybrids and Hybrid Striped Bass, or stock regular or Hybrid BG with LMB, removing any LMB that gets over 14"-16".
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Guys,
The more I read about Pumpkingills, the more I realize how abundant they are and how underappreciated they are. Is there a way we can honor this beautiful hybrid sunfish with an acronym in the PBF official acronym list?
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What would it be PS X BG , PBG , PSBG other ?
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PGS, the S would be for sunfish? Could do PG, is their a PG already? Or, Pgill
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PGS, the S would be for sunfish? Could do PG, is their a PG already? Or, Pgill Yeah, the S would be sunfish. PG works too. There isn't one already.
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PSBG is more self explanitory (if that makes any difference at all).
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Or if you follow HBG and HSB naming practices you could say HPS., but as literature already idenfifies it by the common name of Pumpkingill, I support PG or PGS
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PSBG is more self explanatory I agree, I'm not sure if shorter is better. I like the HPS as well as the H is important to notify us of hybrid and the PS tells what it is. I guess HPSBG would be most complete Did the PB Forum at some point in the past engage in long conversations when all of the other abbreviations were decided on? Or was it a vote with majority rule or is their a standard someplace?
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It is just done by one of the Mods or Admns.
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So what do Pumpkingill eat. Do they compete with BG or do they compete with PS?...And then there is that infamous third choice of "it depends!"
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Was there a decision to include an abbreviation into the standard list? What is the decided on abbreviation?
I'd like to learn more about pumpkingills as well, they would be neat to add to my pond if they overwintered as far North as Michigan.
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I prefer PSBG or slightly better BGPS. The BG is the most commonly used acronym here, so the easily recognized BG as the first part quickly indicates to someone it is a probable combination or hybrid cross with a bluegill. Then they just have to figure out what PS means. PS is our standard acronym for pumpkinseed sunfish.
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BGPS would have no issues wintering near anywhere in the upper Midwest. I doubt there is any scientific research into the diet preferences or feeding habits of them. My bet is they likely act more like BG than PS. However, PS aren't that different in food preferences and feeding behavior to BG, especially when compared to RES.
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Done. Both species are found in lakes in Canada so no cold related issues. They do cross readily and are not uncommon.
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