I wanted to take a few out out of my pond. I bought a prong on the internet, fastened it to a 10 foot steel shaft and speared a large GC. It pulled the spear out of my hands. It was that strong. Maybe I was just weak. The GC are smart but I finally speared another one that it also pulled the spear our of my hands. I did find the spear both time laying on the bottom and it didn't kill either GC.