John, I felt like you when I wound up with them. But then, I started catching some. They're ugly mutts. I tossed them on the bank at every opportunity. However I found that a 5 inch GSF out fought a 7 inch BG or HBG. If they get to 8 inches, you need stronger line. I think my last one was about 9 to 10 inches and old the last time I caught it. After that, I pulled my hook away from hi/her/it just to keep from injuring it. It finally disappeared.

They spawn annually so mine disappeared after about 5 years. Then a creek overflowed into my forage pond and I got some more of them. I no longer worry about them and no longer look at them as a weed in the garden. I love the fight. If I had a pond to dedicate to them, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

However, if a pure HBG pond were my goal, I'd probably be upset. Other than killing the pond and starting over, I doubt that you can do anything about them.


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP Grandpa