The only sure way to get these bad boys is with a bleach bottle for a bobber and down rigger cable at night. Just start chasing the bottle around the lake to ware them out.

Wont say where but seen this done and chased the bottle in the morning to deeper water on a very large lake and the bottle was never seen again. Should have had two bottles on her.

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7/8th of an acre, Perch only pond, Ontario, Canada.