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Mr.Sandman, I have been fairly successful caching GC, but as you know it is a challenge to even land them. They will fight harder on the bank than in the water and with one headshake they will break you off on light tackle.

The secret is �presentation�.
If you are using conventional tackle to cast a PH pellet fly or a Stubby Steve you are going to have to use a bobber to cast it or light tackle to throw it and they are very spooky fish!

Heavy fly tackle works for me, using a 9 or 10 wt fly rod with leader/tippet to 15-20 lbs.
They are difficult to target when feeding with other fish � too much feed and competition.
I have been most successful when I find them �grazing� near shore vegetation and toss a half dozen or so AQMX 600 pellets in the area.
When they begin to notice the pellets, sight cast the pellet fly ahead and to the side and they will take the �fly�. �.UNLESS �. they have been CPR conditioned or broken off before. They are smart and will become hook shy fast.

Wish I was closer � we could have a blast � they will take you into the backing in a heart beat and make the hair stand up on the back of your neck?
George

Sandman, Im sure this has been covered but will toss it out anyway as I did not do a search. Would the depth that these carp can go to and the turbidity (conductivity) clay content of the water make shocking them up not feasible. I know little about optimum conditions for shocking but see more companies in Ohio providing for it.PS Great video !!

Have a big landing net handy to minimize loosing the fish at the shore.

Or a Gaff!

Or a shotgun!

Esshup, I haven't checked out this thread for a couple of days, so sorry. Didn't want to hijack it from the original poster, MARK C. According to Google Maps I'm exactly 2 hours and 13 minutes east of you, near the town of Wellington, OH.

I'd happily buy some Stubbies from you. You could try your luck with the bowfishing outfit too. Seems like there is only one GC feeding lately at the feeder. Most of the fish now are big old CC. The water, although green, is still clear enough to see down a foot or two. Maybe you can get a good shot at one?

Bocomo, two years ago I had an electro shock survey done. You are right, there are a bit too many LMB, but what's worse, there are crappie in this lake. You can count stocking crappie as another of my naive mistakes made shortly after I bought the property. I do know this, years ago, with no management at all, the LMB, BG and YP where all fat and healthy. Seems like all I did was mess things up.

George1, Great suggestions on fly equipment! They are awfully difficult to even get within casting range though. They are very old GC and very wary. I'll consider everything you suggested. Thanks!

Ted, yes! See above. I did the electroshock survey and although we could see the GC working the surface in the distance, they never showed up when we got the shocking boat near them. We didn't raise a single one.

K. I'll call you when I'm getting a time set up to see Bill. I should still have your number.