Originally Posted By: catmandoo
Originally Posted By: RC51
Ok I have a question for all you S and S experts out there. How should I fish these pellets? I bought 4 or 5 packets last year and I could not get a bite on them? Of course I don't have fly rods so I was bobber fishing with a small sinker about 3 inches up the hook. I had been feeding my fish AM600 all season. I thought maybe they just are not hungry at the time, but I put on a real worm and BANG fish on?

So is it something I am doing? I would really like to get them to work for me as it's not always easy to get worms.

Or are they made more just for fly fishermen? Maybe I didn't catch that when I bought them???

Not trying to be negative here at all just want to make sure I am fishing this product right before I give up on it. As I think it's awesome and would love to use them verses worms any day!! Maybe the stubby worm would work better for me?? Any help or advise would be great.

Thanks,
RC


Maybe it is the difference in the smell/oil/taste that the fish are accustomed to. A wiggling worm or a bug is pretty natural, and bred into their genes.

Something that looks like a naturally occurring fly, bug, or worm would be of interest. But, if they haven't seen a pellet all winter, or if the Stuby Steve's pellet doesn't look/smell like what they have been trained to eat -- will they sample it?

I would question whether a truly wild fish, never having had pellets, nor having had pellets for quite some time, would be interested in something like a Stubby Steve's lure.

We need to remember that many years ago our good friend Cecil Baird introduced us to making "Cecil's Pantyhose Pellet Lures" to catch feed trained fish from our ponds.

Except maybe for a few perverted fish in the wild, none would attack a pantyhose bait. Yet, many of us have had great success catching our feed trained pond fish using this technique.

What I'm about to say may be illegal, but I can't find anything that says it is illegal.

Where Stacy and Stubby live (I'm just across the state border from them) we have a lot of public waters that are stocked with 11-14 inch rainbow trout during the cool months of the year, from about October to early May.

The local trout hatcheries and farms mainly use Melick's Aquafeed for raising trout. At public waters, during this time of year, I "chum" with a few handfuls of Melick's pellets. Then I throw in a hook, whether a spincast line with a hook under a bobber, or from a fly rod.. In any case, they are baited with one of the original Stubby Steve's pellets.

I did it last Friday evening at a local state-maintained lake, with snow all around on the mountain tops to the shoreline. I was the only one at the 80-acre mountain lake. It had been stocked about a week-and-a-half earlier (out of a two week stocking cycle).

Within about 15 minutes after chumming, I caught two nice fat 12 inch rainbows on Stubby Steve's pellets. That was all I needed for an Easter dinner appetizer.

The trout got smoked and turned into more than a pound of spread/dip that disappeared in seconds after it is put on the kitchen island with some crackers and chips.






Hello, gentlemen! I hope all is well. This note is from Steve:

I thought I would weigh in on the thread pertaining to Stubby Steve�s and its acceptability to non-pellet trained fish; in particular the very valid questions raised by Catmandoo as to the relevance and efficacy of our lure with wild fish. As the inventor I had the identical questions. This lure was invented because, correctly or not, I was convinced that my Aquamax fattened trophy fish became more difficult to catch with traditional tackle and techniques. We produced this lure exclusively for personal use. However, in our initial tests, its efficacy far exceeded our expectations. Unbelievably, the first fish I ever caught in our 2nd test pond was a non-pellet trained LMB. We knew there would be a small market directed towards pond owners who also wanted to catch their pellet accustomed fish. However, we wanted to know more. We wanted to know the answer to the very question Catmandoo raised- does it work with wild fish? In the past five years we have sent out approximately 50,000 sample packs to every fishing venue we could acquire, including 5.000 packs to NAFC and FishHound field testers. It is important to preface the following by declaring what I am about to say is based on hundreds if not thousands of calls and emails over the past 5 years, plus the results of the NAFC and FH which they were required to forward to us. Bottom line � the vast majority of fish caught with SS have never seen, tasted or smelled a fish food pellet. Many of their results are posted on our website. There wasn�t a species of fresh water fish that wasn�t equally represented in their catch results, including LMB. There is however, I feel, a very scientific reason for this. I wish I could share this with the PB community but I would be relinquishing very important proprietary information. Jardan inc. (Pure Fishing/Berkley, et. al.) is already breathing down our neck, so best I shut up. Since the shape of the brown pellet is very unfamiliar to wild fish the attraction has to be the smell. To help validate this I can relay a recent incident. We are now involved in the crappie tournament trail. In our first four tournaments in which some of the anglers used our product we procured 4 first places, 4 second places, 1 third 3rd, and 3 biggest fish (professional and amateur divisions). As most of you know, avid crappie anglers usually tip their jig with an odor attractant. They will tell you their success rate is much lower with the jig alone. In one tournament Jo Carter, who has been fishing the tournament trail for 20 years, and has always used minnows, was having terrible success. Half way through the one day event he had caught no fish. In desperation, he switched to the SS he had received as a sample pack. He very rapidly caught his 7 fish limit and won 2nd place. The following week, he won first place by such a large margin (3.2lb) that the rumbles of �what in the world did he do?� started. He declared at the awards ceremony he will never use minnows again (�coincidentally�, Berkley/Pure Fishing ordered a bunch of our lures the following week). Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that crappie don�t take to fish food pellets well. I do think that with the invention of our lures and the likes of Gulp products we are in the very beginning of realizing how important the correct odor is in the day to day affairs of most fish most of the time; in particular as it pertains to catching fish. Thanks again to the Pond Boss community for their support; you gave us our start. Also, I recently recruited Eric West as an expert to draft an �affidavit of effectiveness� for my patent attorney and the patent inspector. In an unassuming way, Eric displayed his tremendous ability as a writer, an attorney, and his extreme knowledge as a scientific sportsman. Of course, he would not consider financial compensation for all of his hard work. I hope the PB community realizes how fortunate they are to have the �likes� of Eric West. One day I�m going to sit down with all of the scientific thinkers like Catmandoo and explain how this silly little product is made. Then you�re going to say, �that explains it!�. I promise you there is more to it than meets the eye. I feel this brown pellet and the favorable results with wild fish shows that a lot of the time if it smells right it doesn�t matter what it looks like. With the introduction of our worms and soon to be available crawfish and shrimp we will have the combination of familiar appearance and odor. We will be sending them to some of the PB folks for testing, if they will. Our worms are already in the very capable hands of George and associates. Thank you for your time and support,
Steve
aka Stubby Steve