Thanks Bill, and Esshup, your comments make a lot of sense. The sunfish are aggressive, and gulp down big minnows, could be mowing down the perch. The CC on occasion are extremely agressive, and have caught rapala`s cranked real fast, only 6-8 left in pond. Pretty surprising. Tried the small wounded sunfish but the LMB would not hit. The LMB when one fish is caught with some kind of live bait that`s it. Can`t get another one, and that`s on a 3/4 acre pond. The only time I caught LMB on artificial lures it was during the spawn with a lot of aggravating them with lot`s of close passes.

Seems there is no exact solution going to have to experiment a little.