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Not questioning your experience or anything like that. I just hit the reply button rather than the quick reply, so it showed you up on it.
Basically, this is a good indicator that using the % scale is misleading at best. Concentration in solution is much more accurate.
After all, Oxygen dissolved in water is what the fish need, rather than the percent of oxygen that is in the water, not actually dissolved in it. Henry's Law. Requires pressure to pull this off.
Like it really matters! Oh darn. I hate to disagree with you again but maybe I'm misunderstanding you. To me % saturation is more relevant than mg/l due the the fact the mg/l means different things at different temps. If I've got 6 mg/l in 38 degree water in an open pond something's wrong. If I've got 6 mg/l in 90 degree water it wouldn't concern me.
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Rob's delivering them, TJ. For just the reasons you mentioned he and I both agreed that this way he will be assured they'll survive the trip and get introduced to their new home. And, we're shooting for first thing in the morning.
I will then be bugging you again for the feeding questions I mentioned; What kind, how much and how often.
I want to be sure I'm doing this right!
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Aqua Max 500 - I think the 600 is a wee bit beyond the gape of a 6" HSB. They will readily accept the 500, so will your BG. I'd start hand feeding at roughly the same time daily - you can do an AM feeding before you head to work, and an evening feeding. Feed the same place every day - this will help them develop a behavioral pattern. Don't be discouraged if it takes a couple weeks for them to catch on, be vigilant, they will come around.
You can consider a feeder - most recommend Texas Hunter brand. I think they are around $600. IMO worth every dime. I'd wait to start slinging feed with the feeder until your fish are trained and you can get a sense for how much feed they can consume in a 10 minute time period. That's the window of time you want to measure their ability to clean up all the pellets...if there is plenty left over after that period, you're feeding too much. If everything is cleaned up in 1 minute, increase the feeding a bit.
Rob's a good guy - you're in good hands. Good luck and post plenty of photos for us, please.
Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after. ~ Henry David Thoreau
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Not questioning your experience or anything like that. I just hit the reply button rather than the quick reply, so it showed you up on it.
Basically, this is a good indicator that using the % scale is misleading at best. Concentration in solution is much more accurate.
After all, Oxygen dissolved in water is what the fish need, rather than the percent of oxygen that is in the water, not actually dissolved in it. Henry's Law. Requires pressure to pull this off.
Like it really matters! Oh darn. I hate to disagree with you again but maybe I'm misunderstanding you. To me % saturation is more relevant than mg/l due the the fact the mg/l means different things at different temps. If I've got 6 mg/l in 38 degree water in an open pond something's wrong. If I've got 6 mg/l in 90 degree water it wouldn't concern me. No problem Cecil, I think it is a misunderstanding. Here is a Nomogram that correlates DO and temperature into true % saturation. Take a straight edge and line up measured temp with measured DO, and where it crosses the % line, this should be your true saturation. You can likewise line up temp with % saturation, or DO with % saturation, but will this accurately predict temperature or DO? Not unless it is in a state of equilibrium. I am just going by with what the meter manufacturers are saying.
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I think the graphs are helpful to look over as a point of reference and helps explain to clients how DO is likely to go down with temperature. I did not take it as you questioning rather providing informtion and I appreciate that.
I second opinion of TJ to use 500 for the HSB and bluegill. Texas Hunter Feeder is actually $768 TJ since you need the solar panel. Well worth the investment when doign this much feeding. We sell them to PB members for nice discount (-$49)off that direct price however. You will need to decide on angled legs for shore or dock legs if you have one.
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Not questioning your experience or anything like that. I just hit the reply button rather than the quick reply, so it showed you up on it.
Basically, this is a good indicator that using the % scale is misleading at best. Concentration in solution is much more accurate.
After all, Oxygen dissolved in water is what the fish need, rather than the percent of oxygen that is in the water, not actually dissolved in it. Henry's Law. Requires pressure to pull this off.
Like it really matters! Oh darn. I hate to disagree with you again but maybe I'm misunderstanding you. To me % saturation is more relevant than mg/l due the the fact the mg/l means different things at different temps. If I've got 6 mg/l in 38 degree water in an open pond something's wrong. If I've got 6 mg/l in 90 degree water it wouldn't concern me. No problem Cecil, I think it is a misunderstanding. Here is a Nomogram that correlates DO and temperature into true % saturation. Take a straight edge and line up measured temp with measured DO, and where it crosses the % line, this should be your true saturation. You can likewise line up temp with % saturation, or DO with % saturation, but will this accurately predict temperature or DO? Not unless it is in a state of equilibrium. I am just going by with what the meter manufacturers are saying. I'm familiar with the nomagram as it's similar to the one in the "black book" put out by Fish & Wildlife (Piper) although that one has a typo that puts it out of whack.
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Thanks for the update on the Texas Hunter Feeder, Greg.
I'm fortunate that my pond is in my backyard so I'll begin with feeding them myself until (or if) it's no longer reasonable. But at least I now have a resource for one when I'm ready!
Thanks Greg!
Keith - Still Lovin Livin https://youtu.be/o-R41Rfx0k0(a short video tribute to the PB members we met on our 5 week fishing adventure) Formerly: 2ac LMB,HSB,BG,HBG,RES
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Sorry about the hijack. I'm kinda interested in DO and Supersaturation for specific reasons.
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Sorry about the hijack. I'm kinda interested in DO and Supersaturation for specific reasons. I'm past that phase myself.
If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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Sorry about the hijack. I'm kinda interested in DO and Supersaturation for specific reasons. I'm past that phase myself. What, the hijack phase!
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