Bill do you think large hollow logs would work or would they not use those if they weren't closed at one end? Also will they excavate there own holes in the bank at all or should I provide all spawning structure? Doesn't sound like CP would be a great fit with them but I would definitely appreciate any insight if anyone has kept them together before.I should mention I am mostly catch and release so as long as enough fry survived to maintain some sort of population I would be happy.

My buddy has CP in his pond, gonna get them from him.