I just realized a few of you guys suggested GSH instead of FHM and I thought you meant Gizzard shad not golden shiners I think I mixed up the acronyms at least I hope I hate gizzard shad... if so yeah I looked up G shiners and they look better than FHM for what Im trying to accomplish thanks to everyone for your help. PS is there a page with a list of acronyms somewhere seems like ive seen it before but cant find it now