thanks for the reply, i was thinking the same thing with the bow..tried with rod and reel, corn, mini wheats, bread with no luck. and yes i find myself feeding more than fishing...lol. i would like to leave the white gc in there. i think i will just try and fish out the big cg's somehow..surely didnt know about the "swimmers itch" with the snails..yuk, does it get ya where i think i gets ya...!? will continue to check the archives..thanks.