John thanks for the input. I need all the help I can get. I have told several folks here about my boulder collection and my water wheel parts collection includings some guys that are mechanical engineers retired from NASA and so far I seem to get a really wild look from everyone. What gave me the idea of the water falls came out of a trip to Bolivia as we went up into the Andes and I was told how the Incas uses terraces to carry water hundreds of miles. I remembered studying this in school. After I got home I was looking at the trees on the farm and notices that they had grown out of terraces as to at some point in time was part of a cotton farm back in the early 1900 and probably had been terraced after the dust bowl. I started following the terraces and then got a topo map and realized I could use them to move water from Pond C and B and over a water fall to pond A. Then I got to thinking about all the wasted water going out the horizontal spillway of pond A and I thought we need to catch some of this and move it back to pond B. Well it sounds good anyway. Do you have any info on the ram pump????? Richey in Alabama