[quote=Dave Davidson1 When I try to use it for country type stuff, it just doesn't [/quote] Hey Dave this isn't a brand observation but a people one. I don't know which is worse having a truck that can but won't or someone having a truck that should but can't! I'm sure you see this in Tx. too but down here its rampant! You meet someone with a $50-60+ k truck...all the factory off-road upgrades, thousands of $'s worth of state of the art aftermarket stuff..just a beautiful truck...so you invite them to your favorite mud hole and they look at you as if you had asked them to let you tattoo 666 on their forehead or invited his wife down to the docks to welcome the fleet home. I'll never understand it.