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Most of the elk in Virginia are migrants from the Kentucky herd which were first introduced into Kentucky in 1997. The herd in Kentucky has done so well(estimated at over 7,000 now), that they have spread into Virginia, Tennessee and West Virginia. Virginia never wanted the elk so they allowed hunters to shoot them and tag them utilizing one of their deer tags. I think Virginia was so anti elk because of the concern of the spread of CWD. I think they have now realized they are here to stay and CWD will come here whether elk do are don't... Also, these elk are the western subspecies of elk not the native eastern subspecies which went extinct in the mid-late 1800's. Virginia has seen a push to protect the elk that are migrating from Kentucky into Virginia for several reasons. First, elk were native to Virginia, albeit a different subspecies. Second, elk make big bucks for local economies from viewing and hunting. Pennsylvania has a decent size herd of elk in the north central part of the state. That herd is much older, being introduced back in the 1910's-1920's. It has done well, but nowhere near as well as the Kentucky herd has. Today they number around 200 or so. The Benezette area of PA is the heart of the elk herd. In September, that town swells from a few hundred to thousands as they come to watch and listen to the elk. Pennsylvania also opened up very limited hunting for elk which also brings in money for their management and to the local economy. Pennsylvania has worked hard to keep the elk in a fairly small area, trapping and transferring elk that wander too far away from where they are supposed to be. I have a friend who's family owns land a good bit away from the "elk range" and occasionally he sees elk on his land, usually young males who are striking out on their own. The biggest problem Pennsylvania faces is the damage elk do to crops so they try to keep the elk in areas of minimal farming where they can't cause problems. Otherwise, the elk get shot by farmers. Western elk are far less adapted to mature forestland, requiring substantial open grassy areas. The extinct eastern elk were adapted to more mature forests of their native eastern habitat. Western elk introduced into areas of the east where it is mostly forested tend not to do well which as I understand it is why the old Peaks of Otter herd finally went extinct. That area of Virginia is mostly mature old forest not conducive to western elk habitat needs. The areas the elk are doing well in the east are usually old mining areas such as eastern Kentucky, parts of Pennsylvania and West Virginia. In these areas, there are pockets of forest but due to mining activities, there are substantial areas of open grassy areas similar to western habitat. In areas like this, the western elk thrive in the east. In Pennsylvania, the elk do well but black bears which are quite numerous in the elk range take a toll on the calves which limits their reproductive success. Kentucky has a limited black bear population. West Virginia and Virginia have much larger black bear numbers and therefore, the elk may not fare so well. I'd love to see Virginia protect the elk and encourage their spread and allow limited controlled hunting. Southwestern and western parts of Virginia and eastern and southeastern parts of West Virginia are rural enough where elk people conflict would be minimal.
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Thanks for sharing that, Travis! I had no idea there were wild elk east of the Mississippi.
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Great pics and posts. Live lining is correct and it is a saltwater term. Good post on the elk CJ.
FWIW. I don't know how others are faring with stinkbugs but we had to give up and sell our RV because of them. They simply overwhemed our abilities. No matter how much we tried we simply could not control them. We tried camping last weekend in Hume, VA about 20 miles from Skyline drive and the Shenandoah NP and the stinkbugs literally drove us home!
They are a plague of biblical proportions!!!!!!!!!!!
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3 of us have tried for the past 4 years to pull a tag for Ky. elk. So far we've all struck out. Kentucky's system stinks tho. You cannot put in as a group, and once you pull a tag, the state puts your had in another lottery to see what area you will hunt - you cannot choose the area. So, we all had to agree that even if one of us pulls a tag all 3 would go even tho the other 2 couldn't hunt. If 2 of us get pulled, there is the possibility of us having to hunt different areas. No preference point system, nor any preference given for applying in previous years and not getting drawn. IIRC, even getting drawn for a bull tag is up to the State. All you do is apply for an Elk tag, and the state determines whether it's a bull or cow.
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The stink bugs aren't bad this year here at my place, but the lady bugs are the worst they've been in about 4 years.
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Yes, the stink bugs are insane!
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That bear is amazing. He looks like he suspended in mid air he's moving so fast!
If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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You can't believe how fast something so rolly polly can run 'til you see it in person!
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Great pics guys. Yes elk are moving east by truck. I know a few people who had/have them in the dep south in high fenced areas.
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Changing colors here in central Texas 
In Dog Beers, I've had one.
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Our leaves are mostly gone but here's a picture I took yesterday showing some colors. My Amish neighbor came by to get some firewood. He's driving on my driveway with a 4-mule team. (I know they don't want their picture taken so I hid in my barn and took this photo) 
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