Thanks guys,

the is a grower who dilivers to my town a few times each year and offer 6-8" cats for a buck or two each. that is what i was thinking of buying. next time he is due to come around i'll give him a call and see if he can bring me some 10-12 inchers and try a dozen.

i know the local feed store sells fish chow so that will be no problem.

in the mean time i'll fish in there a bit and see what comes out!

cheers
jerry