The 5 I know I hit were stone dead. They just go stiff and roll onto one side. I know I hit a couple because you see scales in the water. So I have confirmed kills on 5 and a few near misses. And many clips of 22 rounds that hit nothing.

Good to know someone else uses the sit on porch till shoreline ripples appear method.And you cannot be quiet enough walking or they are gone gone gone.