He is so old he skin has a marble pink to it...he is quite ugly. The 2 times I have seen him he was "sleeping" under the submerged branches of a ceder tree. His eyes were rolled back in his head so I thought he was dead. I stuck my rod tip in his mouth and it was like a grenade went off in the water!! Same deal a year later only this time I went back to the house and got my .22 (my kids wont swim in the pond anymore) anyway I know I hit him but he never surfaced....(insert theme to JAWS here....)