greg,i'm lost on this one.great bass fishing is what i'm trying to get.i believe what you and bob say on this site,you need bream.but this company and my wildlife & fisheries guy say take bream out.this company told me to take 1,600 to 2,000 bream out this year.seems like alot of bream for a (3 year old pond) 4 1/2 acres of water.i did see a couple hundred bream when he shocked pond,but they did not do much shocking.he only shocked up 5 -6 bass and said they were all in the 95%range.lost on why he found several 2-3 inch bass.keep me posted on the fert.hope you find us something,i'll wait a few weeks to see what you come up with.p.s getting ready to add another 1 1/2 acres of water to pond next week.