scott,i do not believe this to be the problem,low food supply.the man that shocked my pond said i have plenty plenty bream of all sizes,in fact he told me to take 1,600 to 2,000 bream out this year,he also found golden shinners in the pond for bait.not sure how the golden shinners got in but we did see them.i guess i will go with the idea the pond has grown so much in water size that maybe i did get a fall spawn.anybody else have any idea's,i would like to hear about them.thanks.