No greenies. I can get them dwarfed and stunted anywhere. Gambusia are the undisputed pound for pound terrors. No gambusia either. I went to Petsmart to look at thier Rosy Red Minnows, which were light fatheads but now are just plain fatheads and over half the tank was gambusia. I made the guy just net out fatheads. In pond #1 so far, only fatheads, crawdads and bullforgs. I'll take photos and post of course. I have other ponds, I hope to try some water lilies also. I'll drop some perf pipe down for just in case egg laying.