It should be quite easy and fast to call a pond boss advertiser and/or contributor. They also will verify the facts you obtain on this forum. Without the advertisers it would be more difficult to have this good forum as well as our Pond Boss magazine. More of us --me and you need to rethink our purchases. The ones I have worked with have been very congenial and this means a lot. Our remarks our meant to help us rethink and reevaluate so we become more accustomed to going in this indicated direction. I have not meant to come down on anyone only to make a suggestion.