Thanks for the input...2cmom I'll google pickeral weed. I probably should have mentioned the upper pond is maybe a little deep to be calling a bog ,I dunno, it's prox 30"-36" deep. Cjbs yes the water recirculates between the 2 ponds. I'll stick up a pic. Bobad I have a fairly small fish load and a fairly big pond. I just like clear water(clear as possible) I want the blue 55 gal external filter gone next year. I was always under the impression having an upper pond 20-25% the size of the main, stocked with the right plants would act as a natural filter/fish wasted remover, ect. The pic is before I ripped em out, all that's left is a small batch of varigated cattails and a small batch of dwarf cattails.
Edit: I just checked out the pickeral weed, and I like it, I need something that will grow like crazy, just not require a car or truck to thin out. I also should have mentioned I live in slc Utah, winters are pretty good(bad) here. Not sure if the pickeral weed is an option for me????