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I have a Ruger 22cal and a Rem 22-250, but would like something in between for 70-100 yard shots. There are houses nearby and the 22-250 is too loud. I have some varmits, some of which have plummage, that I can't get closer than 80 yards to. I'm looking at a .17 cal or .22 Hornet. Does anyone here know which is quieter. I won't be shooting it a lot, so ammo costs don't matter. I also don't reload, so a good factory load would be important..du
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.17 MACH 2 is quiet and will do the job at 70-100 yards. I think it would be better than the .22 Hornet IMHO.
Also, take a look at the Ruger .204. It's just a tough louder than the .17 MACH 2 but will touch up VERY accurately out to 250 or so. I love it for coyotes and foxes since the hole it leaves is so small keeping the value of the pelt up.
Any of the above have quality factory loads...
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After shooting a .17 HMR, I think I'd go that route. I have a Mach II (Kimber) and while it's accurate, it isn't on the accuracy level of the HMR, and the HMR can reach out a wee bit farther, and has (or seems to have) less wind drift than the Mach II at 100 Yds.
The .22 Hornet has one advantage, it's reloadable if you reload, therefore, if you reload, it can be loaded for different power levels.
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From my .22 Mag days, it's perfect on Groundhogs out to about 100 yards.
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The .22 mag doesn't boast the accuracy of the newer .17 cals but from my shooting of both calibers at groundhogs the .22 mag is better medicine for them as it delivers more "thump" (big ballisticalatious word I don't expect experts here to understand) when you hit them in the body, should you not be a head shooting sniper type like many claim to be. My main focus it to kill the animal so I aim center mass mostly shooting off hand, the .22 mag out performs the .17 in that respect and is cheaper to shoot. I shoot CCI Maxi-Mag +V rounds in mine and it is an amazing gun.
My heavier varmint rifle is the venerable .222 Remington, to me they never built a sweeter caliber for the handloading woodchuck hunter.
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After shooting a .17 HMR, I think I'd go that route. + 1
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You can't beat the .17 hmr its one of my favorite guns.
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I have been shooting 22 stingers in my 10/22. Is this the hottest load made for a 22?
In Dog Beers, I've had one.
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Depending on how close the neighbors are, and how much the noise bothers them you could always get a rifle with a suppressor (integral or screw on). I have a bolt action 22lr savage with a threaded barrel and suppressor. When I shoot subsonic rounds it is quieter than my pellet gun. Really, we measured the sound levels. It is also very accurate, and plenty deadly enough on small game. Besides, suppressors are fun, get one while you still legally can.
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Supressors are legal? Isn't that like a 'silencer'?
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Yes if you're willing to jump through the hoops to own one they're legal. But be aware you'll definetly be on the gov's radar.
I like the 17's. Flat, fast & Much less chance of a richocet.
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In most states, yes. Silencer is a misnomer, you can't totally silence any round, but we are talking about the same thing. Suppressors are very legal in Florida, just like full auto machine guns. Yes, full auto. It requires some specialized paperwork, some waiting time, and a background check, but that is about it. Only slightly more complicated than getting a concealed weapons permit. I am unsure of the laws of Pennsylvania, but a quick check with your local gun shop should get you the info you need.
My apologies to the OP for hijacking your thread
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Ooops. Ric beat me to it. As far as being on the government radar, I am already monitored by so many governemnt agencies with my current profession that it seems a moot point. Don't let that fact dissuade you from exercising your 2nd amendment rights.
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Yes if you're willing to jump through the hoops to own one they're legal. But be aware you'll definetly be on the gov's radar. I don't want to be on anyone's radar. I use CB caps. Not very powerful but very quiet. Fits my minimal neeeds.
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I have been shooting 22 stingers in my 10/22. Is this the hottest load made for a 22? Aguila .22 LR Super Maximum 30-gr. HP at 1750 fps is the hottest .22 LR round out there. I use it in my 10/22 a good bit. Cycles the gun great, doesn't jam and is accurate for a high speed round.
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My heavier varmint rifle is the venerable .222 Remington, to me they never built a sweeter caliber for the handloading woodchuck hunter. My grandfather gave me his .222. I reload for it and it is VERY accurate. Under 300 yards it really is a tack driver.
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david and others,
I don't think it would be quiet enough for the needs specified in this thread, but I have been very impressed with the .204. Light, accurate, and packs a serious punch.
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I don't think it would be quiet enough for the needs specified in this thread, but I have been very impressed with the .204. Light, accurate, and packs a serious punch. Also, take a look at the Ruger .204. It's just a touch louder than the .17 MACH 2 but will touch up VERY accurately out to 250 or so. Good to see another liking the .204... It really is a great caliber.
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CJ, I bought my Wife a Rem 222 about 20 years ago. Last year, she gave it to my 10 year old Grandson. He has taken 2 deer and one hog with it. We also reload for it but I haven't found much difference in any of the recipes.
If we are under 100 yards and have good shot placement, it is a great little gun. However, it doesn't provide a lot of shock. He shot a buck with it last year. A perfect heart shot at about 50 yards. The deer ran about 75 yards, turned around to look at what the noise was, and fell over dead. It never knew it had been hit.
The caliber has set a lot of records.
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From my .22 Mag days, it's perfect on Groundhogs out to about 100 yards. I second that. Compared to other rounds with velocity of 2000fps and above, it's quieter, and has plenty of energy in the 40gr bullet. I've shot tough racoons at over 50 yards, and got nothing but humane kills. I have an Anchutz bolt action in WMR. It easily shoots quarter-sized groups at 50 yards, and silver dollar sized at 100. (that's a hair over 1 MOA) So I think the round is inherently accurate. It may depend on ammunition brand, but probably not.
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[quote=RobA] I don't want to be on anyone's radar. I use CB caps. Not very powerful but very quiet. Fits my minimal neeeds.
I tried those, and can't consistently hit a coke can at 30 yards. Don't you need a certain barrel twist to shoot those accurately?
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Because the bullet is so short on the CB caps, you probably need a slower twist barrel than the standard 1:16 that's in the normal .22 rimfire. The .22 that I had built to shoot the 60 g Aguila SSS shells has a 1:9 twist and it'll group 2" @ 200 Yds on a calm day. To do that, I had to have a 20 moa scope base. I can get is zeroe'd @ 50 Yds, and there is just enough elevation in the scope to get it to 200 Yds.
I believe the muzzleloaders that shoot round balls have a 1:32 or 1:48 twist.
The .22 WMR is a good round and has been around for a LONG time. The .17 HMR uses the same case, just necked down to .17. For distances of 70 to 100 Yds, the .22 WMR will do what you want as well, admirably. If your range estimation is off, the .17 HMR shoots flatter. I haven't checked prices on the ammo to compare them, but either will be cheaper to buy ammo for than the Hornet. My Mach II seems to be louder than my .22LR, but then again, I'm shooting standard velocity ammo in the .22, not the hyper velocity stuff.
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The .22s are good, but to get one that will consistantly put 5 on a nickel, which is right at 13/16ths inch at one hundred yards you are gonna either have to get really lucky or spend a LOT of money. And it will almost certainly have to be a 22 mag.
The .17 HMR excells at inherent accuracy and flat trajectory. And them lil' catridges look so dang cute to boot!
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The .222 is illegal for big game in VA and PA where I mostly hunt. I have only used it for ground hogs and predators and a few fall turkeys. I now mostly use the .204 for that purpose when I can steal it from my dad. I don't know if I got lucky but the .222 my grandfather gave me will shoot under 1" groups at 200 yards. It is definitely the most accurate stock rifle I have ever shot. Throw in the fact that it's probably fired a couple thousand rounds over it's 50 plus year life, it's pretty impressive!
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Well, you're an impressive guy.
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