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Anyone ever hung out bat boxes by their pond to try can get rid of some the bugs? I know fish eat bugs but I have alot of mesquitos. Wondering if bat boxes really work or not?
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Damone,
I hung one about 2 1/2 years ago. Nothing the first year but I had a small batch move in the second year. They were always flying around and over my pond and sure seemed to help. I had a wasp nest in the box this year and the bats avoided the house. Sure enough my mosquito population seems to be up. I cleaned the house out and as of last night have had 1 bat return. Plan on putting up 2-3 more. They do an impressive number on flying beetles as well. Plus they are fun to watch.
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If by "mesquitos", you mean the flying insect also known as mosquitos; I HATE THE LITTLE BLOOD SUCKERS!
As far as bat boxes go, I have never had luck getting bats to use them and know of no one else who has either. However, they will nest in attics and other areas you don't want them to be in. From my research in trying to get bats to use the bat box, you want to mount the bat box onto the southern side of something, whether is be a home, barn, outhouse, etc... That way in the winter, the southern sun warms their home.
Depending on what part of the country you're in, you may also want to look into mounting a purple martin home. If you have a fairly decent sized pond and open grassy area next to it. A properly mounted purple martin house should be prime real estate and a new family should gladly take to it. Purple martins like wide open space, no large trees or other structures near their house. Check into that option as well... They certainly will thin out the flying insect population to include mosquitoes.
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I like the bat box idea. I built a beaut' a couple of years ago. It still sits in my basement waiting for me to move the pole installation up the priority list. Like the Chicago Cubs, there's always next year... - Don't count on Purple Martins to dent your Mosquito population. this quote is from the purplemartin.org, FAQ #6 6. What do Purple Martins eat? Purple Martins are obligate aerial insectivores, which is a fancy way of saying they eat only flying insects, and they take them only on the wing, not off the ground. Martins eat beetles, flies, dragonflies, midges, mayflies, bees, stinkbugs, cicadas, flying ants, damselflies, butterflies, moths, grasshoppers, and wasps. Martins are generalists, and do not specialize in taking just one or two types of insects, to the exclusion of others. Martins drink and bathe while skimming over the surfaces of bodies of water. Purple Martins do not eat huge quantities of mosquitoes, despite what some martin house manufacturers claim (this fraudulent claim is used to market their products). See Update issue 2(3), "The Relationship of Purple Martins to Mosquito Control": http://www.purplemartin.org/update/MosCont.html
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That's a good link Brettski. It would make sense that purple martins don't hammer the mosquitoes since most mosquitoes come out right at dusk and into the night hours. That's where having a healthy bat population may be helpful. Perhaps whip-poor-wills could be a good species to try to attract to your property. They are a nocturnal flying insect eating bird with a really cool sounding call. We have them on our hunting land in PA and I hear their calls in a number of other areas. Apparently their numbers are in great decline during the past few years...
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I purposely leave some standing dead wood in my woods to create bat habitat, along with all my beech trees with all the hollow spots in them for wildlife to live in.
I see more bats flying at night than I do birds during the day, and have yet to have one nest in my house or barn, that I know of anyways
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Who'da thought Flip-Flops would make good dancing shoes?
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In my area, bats are migratory, tehy don't overwinter here. I usually have 30-50 roosting in the barn every year. They seem to move from one side of the barn to the other depending on the sun and temps. When it's hot out they stay on the side away from the sun. The barn's ridgeline runs east/west. I've seen bats here as late as November when deer hunting, but they bail out of the barn around late October.
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I tried to read about the Whip-poor-wills, but it read like middle English. Why do wildlife biologists, that prolly grew up all countrified, get all high and mighty with a little edumacation?
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Who'da thought Flip-Flops would make good dancing shoes? I'll keep my comments to myself.
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Seems I read somewhere that purple martins are actually counterproductive for mosquitoes since they eat dragonfly's and dragonfly's are a heavy hunter of the mosquito
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How to attract insect eating wildlifeFrom the website www.mosquito.comDo bats serve as an effective mosquito control? Recently the public has shown increased interest in the value of insectivorous species of bats in controlling mosquitoes. Although untested lately, this is not a new idea. During the 1920's several bat towers were constructed near San Antonio, Texas, in order to help control malarial mosquitoes. Mosquito populations were not affected and the project was discontinued. Bats in temperate areas of the world are almost exclusively insectivorous. Food items identified in their diet are primarily beetles, wasps, and moths. Mosquitoes have comprised less than 1% of gut contents of wild caught bats in all studies to date. Bats tend to be opportunistic feeders. They do not appear to specialize on particular types of insects, but will feed on whatever food source presents itself. Large, concentrated populations of mosquitoes could provide adequate nutrition in the absence of alternative food. However, a moth provides much more nutritional value per capture than a mosquito. M.D. Tuttle, a world authority on bats, is often quoted for his anecdotal report that bats effectively controlled mosquito populations at a popular resort in New York State. While there is no doubt that bats have probably played a visible, if not prominent, role in reducing the mosquito problems in many areas, the natural abatement of mosquito populations is an extremely complex process to study, comprising poorly known ecological relationships. Tuttle attempts to underscore the bats role by citing an experiment in which bats released into a laboratory room filled with mosquitoes caught up to 10 mosquitoes per minute. He extrapolated this value to 600 mosquitoes per hour. Thus, a colony of 500 bats could consume over a quarter of a million mosquitoes per hour. Impressive numbers indeed, but singularly unrealistic when based upon a study where bats were confined in a room with mosquitoes as their only food source. There is no question that bats eat mosquitoes, but to utilize them as the sole measure of control would be folly indeed, particularly considering the capacity of both mosquitoes and bats to transmit diseases. top
Do Purple Martins help reduce mosquitoes? It has been known for many years that bird species like purple martins consume large numbers of flying insects. Proponents of their use in mosquito control are quick to cite J. L. Wade, an amateur ornithologist, who reasoned that an average 4 oz. adult purple martin, due to its rapid metabolism, would have to consume its body weight (14,000 mosquitoes) per day in order to survive. Wade recognized that the purple martins diet includes many other types of insects, but this appears to have been lost on many individuals searching for a natural means of control. In fact, during daylight, purple martins often feed voraciously upon dragonflies, known predators of mosquitoes. At night, when mosquitoes are most active, purple martins tend to feed at treetop level, well above most mosquito flight paths. Ornithologist James Hill, founder of the Purple Martin Conservation Association (PMCA), writes, "The number of mosquitoes that martins eat is extremely insignificant, and they certainly don't control them. In-depth studies have shown that mosquitoes comprise no more than 0 to 3 percent of the diet of martins". They eat only flying insects, which they catch in flight. Their diet is diverse, including dragonflies, damselflies, flies, midges, mayflies, stinkbugs, leafhoppers, Japanese beetles, June bugs, butterflies, moths, grasshoppers, cicadas, bees, wasps, flying ants, and ballooning spiders. Martins are not, however, prodigious consumers of mosquitoes as is so often claimed by companies that manufacture martin housing. An intensive 3-year diet study conducted at PMCA headquarters in Edinboro, PA, failed to find a single mosquito among the 350 diet samples collected from parent martins bringing beakfuls of insects to their young. The samples were collected from martins during all hours of the day, all season long, and in numerous habitats, including mosquito-infested ones. Purple Martins and freshwater mosquitoes rarely ever cross paths. Martins are daytime feeders, and feed high in the sky; mosquitoes, on the other hand, stay low in damp places during daylight hours, or only come out at night. Since Purple Martins feed only on flying insects, they are extremely vulnerable to starvation during extended periods of cool and/or rainy weather. Rather than erecting martin houses to specifically attract insect-eating birds for mosquito control, we should at least promote them for their aesthetic and educational value. Some helpful info to decide if you want to attract bats and purple martins knowing they do little to control mosquitoes...
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Good post, CN. Looks like it's back to repairing the propane powered resmethrin blower.
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Who'da thought Flip-Flops would make good dancing shoes? Millions of Southern Californians.
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Who'da thought Flip-Flops would make good dancing shoes? Millions of Southern Californians. Inquiring minds dont want to know. 
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Maybe the best mosquitoe control is fish that eat the larvae...
If you're too scared to throw that bait where the fish are, why did you tie it on?
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Maybe the best mosquitoe control is fish that eat the larvae... I would have to agree. You also may want to look into Dragonfly Larvae. They are eating machines and their favorite food is Mosquito Larvae. But I still like my bat box for entertainment value:D
Do not tell fish stories where the people know you; but particularly, don't tell them where they know the fish. Mark Twain
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I built and installed a bat box in a barn 3 or 4 years ago. No bats have ever moved in.
It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.
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Mosquito control = eliminating temporary and isolated water sources and using pesticides (synthetic or organic). Bats are fun to watch.
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That was my biggest reason for trying to get bats to take in a bat box or putting up purple martin boxes. Less for their insect control value but more for just helping out wildlife and enjoying watching them.
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I purposely leave some standing dead wood in my woods to create bat habitat, along with all my beech trees with all the hollow spots in them for wildlife to live in.
I see more bats flying at night than I do birds during the day, and have yet to have one nest in my house or barn, that I know of anyways I also think that is key to bat numbers, loss or lack of habitat would encourage the bats to seek buildings or bat boxes. I also leave large standing dead trees in my forest, as well as bats, I get pileated woodpeckers.
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Don't really know where most of the local bats spend the day. Seen one crammed into a gap in my vinyl siding and a couple took up residence in the foldede umbrella near the pond (until I disturbed them a couple times by openning the umbrella on sunny days). Built a bat box of my own design - we'll see how it works. I also enjoy watching the barn and tree swallows at dawn and dusk. They are quite the acrobats. The barn swallows have quite a colony in an old barn on our farm. They are not allowed in the new barn. They are fun to watch, but make quite the mess below their nests.
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I just visited my younger sis a coupla wks ago and she reminded me of the time she and I were fishing with my dad in a jon boat in a Miss. Delta natural lake. We tied up to a stump sticking up about 3 ft. Bats started coming out 1 at a time for what seemed like an hr. Probably at least 15 minutes. Had to have been over a hundred. I didnt realize she is still freaked out about it.
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