LB,

On the contrary, I don't think they are that easy to remove...it was Theo who said that, but I think his point was well taken in that in a small pond like yours, there aren't many places the GC can hide.

They are very difficult to catch on anything, being they are veggies. They are also very shy, so that in larger ponds, they will hide from you. SHORTY sounds like a hunter and that's what you need to get them in larger ponds because they are very spooky. Great eating, also