Fenders will not ship fish to me, they are not a certified facility with the state of PA so I cannot get fish from them. The woman I spoke to on the phone was very nice and polite about it. I am basically forced to deal with hatcherys in PA, the majority of which are a long ways from me. I am going to just deal with the grub I reckon, and stock fish I catch in my pond, I will spend my cash on fatheads and feed to make them grow. My pond is nearly half full of water now, slow going now but it will not be dry again, so that's a good thing. Thanks for the input gents, as always I learned something new.