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Male vs Female cnbg #128041 08/05/08 04:04 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 95 Yorktown, Tx J jeffh Lunker
jeffh Lunker J Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 95 Yorktown, Tx	Can someone direct me to a post with pics of male and female cnbg? or tell me how to tell the difference?

Re: Male vs Female cnbg jeffh #128042 08/05/08 04:06 PM
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LOVELACE LAKE Lunker L Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 120 Trenton, TX	you need to PM Bruce he will know the answer.

Re: Male vs Female cnbg jeffh #128044 08/05/08 04:07 PM
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Brett295 Lunker B Joined: May 2008 Posts: 477 Belleville Illinois	try this thread: http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthread...ite_id=1#import

Re: Male vs Female cnbg Brett295 #128046 08/05/08 04:10 PM
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 3,973 Likes: 1 Ball Ground, GA G Greg Grimes Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker
Greg Grimes Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker G Joined: May 2002 Posts: 3,973 Likes: 1 Ball Ground, GA	http://www.lakework.com/photo_gallery/gallery2/v/fish_species/Sunfish/Female_and_Male_Redear.html this might help Greg Grimes www.lakework.com

Re: Male vs Female cnbg Greg Grimes #128048 08/05/08 04:28 PM
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jeffh Lunker J Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 95 Yorktown, Tx	Thanks guys...I also went to the Big Bluegill website and found some pics..

Re: Male vs Female cnbg jeffh #128052 08/05/08 04:56 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 22,033 Likes: 483 Miss. E ewest Moderator Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker
ewest Moderator Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker E Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 22,033 Likes: 483 Miss.	One Nice Coppernose - http://www.pondboss.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=002562;p=1#000000 CNBG variation Fla vs Ark - http://www.pondboss.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=004532;p=1#000004

Re: Male vs Female cnbg jeffh #128060 08/05/08 05:46 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,854 Likes: 3 United States Bruce Condello Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker
Bruce Condello Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,854 Likes: 3 United States	Originally Posted By: jeffh Thanks guys...I also went to the Big Bluegill website and found some pics.. That just made my day... $\:\)$ Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.

Re: Male vs Female cnbg Bruce Condello #128126 08/06/08 08:57 AM
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jeffh Lunker J Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 95 Yorktown, Tx	The pics are great..what about anatomical markings? or descriptive characteristics? I have CNBG purchased in Texas...

Re: Male vs Female cnbg jeffh #128127 08/06/08 09:00 AM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,854 Likes: 3 United States Bruce Condello Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker
Bruce Condello Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,854 Likes: 3 United States	Actually, I'm glad you brought this up. I consider ewest to be the most "up-to-date" on CNBG characteristics. I'm hoping he'll link us up, then I can link this thread to bigbluegill.com Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.

Re: Male vs Female cnbg Bruce Condello #128140 08/06/08 09:19 AM
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ewest Moderator Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker E Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 22,033 Likes: 483 Miss.	Bruce I credit Todd and George with a lot of this info. I am glad to help bigbluegill.com . I go there and look and post but am not sure what I should do to help with the links.

Re: Male vs Female cnbg ewest #128152 08/06/08 09:45 AM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,854 Likes: 3 United States Bruce Condello Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker
Bruce Condello Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,854 Likes: 3 United States	What would really be helpful to bigbluegill.com would be to have a single good photo of both a female and male CNBG, with a brief description of what characteristics would help one tell that it is indeed a coppernose. The only ones I can remember are the copper band (male only??) and the whitish fin bordering. Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.

Re: Male vs Female cnbg Bruce Condello #128166 08/06/08 10:23 AM
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Theo Gallus Moderator Lunker Joined: May 2004 Posts: 14,676 Likes: 509 40 N, 82 1/2 W	IIRC spine count on the dorsal is different from BG to CNBG, too. Edit: Nope, soft rays on the Anal fin. See below. Last edited by Theo Gallus; 08/06/08 01:30 PM. "Live like you'll die tomorrow, but manage your grass like you'll live forever." -S. M. Stirling

Re: Male vs Female cnbg Theo Gallus #128173 08/06/08 11:11 AM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 22,033 Likes: 483 Miss. E ewest Moderator Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker
ewest Moderator Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker E Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 22,033 Likes: 483 Miss.	Lets start here and when complete after comments you can paste it BB.com. Three sources on CNBG traits/ morphology. Coppernose bluegill have been around for a long time. They are only one of three recognized subspecies of bluegill (lepomis macrochirus). Coppernose (lepomis macrochirus purpurescens) is native to Peninsular of Florida. Coppernose bluegill have 12 soft rays on their anal fin as opposed to 11 soft rays found on the regular bluegill. Coppernose have fewer but wider vertical bars on their sides than do regular (common or native ) bluegill. Coppernose also have orange margins to their fins. Male coppernose has a broad copper band above the eye or forehead and are prominent during spawning season. Reproduction of the Coppernose is about the same as with most all bluegill. The Coppernose bluegill is known for its colorful markings. The fins of the coppernose have a reddish orange fringe outline with a pencil thin white border. The vertical bars on the sides are more distinct and broader especially in the young. The distinct copper band across the head which is brilliant on the male is the reason for the common name "coppernose". THE COPPERNOSE BLUEGILL (CNBG) IS ALSO A FLORIDA STRAIN. IT IS EASILY DISTINGUISHED FROM THE NORTHERN BLUEGILL BY ITS COLORATION AND MARKINGS. THE FINS OF THE CNBG ARE REDDISH-ORANGE WITH A THIN WHITE MARGIN. THE TYPICAL VERTICAL BAR PATTERN OF THE BLUEGILL IS PRONOUNCED IN THE COPPERNOSE, AND VERY DISTINCTIVE. ADULT MALES HAVE A BROAD COPPER BAND ACROSS THE HEAD THAT IS THE TRADEMARK OF THE STRAIN Male 1 Male 2 Female Caught 03-07-07 [/b][/quote]

Re: Male vs Female cnbg ewest #128175 08/06/08 12:02 PM
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dave in el dorado ca Ambassador Lunker D Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,261 el dorado ca	i'll throw these pics in the mix, (same fish) caught in southern CA, probably a male but not sure, definitely a CNBG...... one shows the fin margins really nicely, the other the copper nose bar... GSF are people too!

Re: Male vs Female cnbg dave in el dorado ca #128185 08/06/08 12:38 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,854 Likes: 3 United States Bruce Condello Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker
Bruce Condello Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,854 Likes: 3 United States	Excellent photos. I've already transferred them to http://www.bigbluegill.com Anything on actual water temp tolerances? Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.

Re: Male vs Female cnbg Bruce Condello #128188 08/06/08 12:47 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,854 Likes: 3 United States Bruce Condello Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker
Bruce Condello Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,854 Likes: 3 United States	I think I've got it looking pretty good, if anybody would care to critique it... Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.

Re: Male vs Female cnbg Bruce Condello #128194 08/06/08 01:15 PM
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Ric Swaim Lunker R Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,902 Surry Co NC	I looked ... Impressive!!! I'll say you've got it looking pretty good! Pond Boss Subscriber & Books Owner If you can read this ... thank a teacher. Since it's in english ... thank our military! Ric

Re: Male vs Female cnbg Bruce Condello #128196 08/06/08 01:25 PM
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ewest Moderator Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker E Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 22,033 Likes: 483 Miss.	I will locate the temp info - very similar to Fla LMB geographic range but IIRC the CNBG is a little more cold tolerant.

Re: Male vs Female cnbg ewest #128200 08/06/08 01:47 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,854 Likes: 3 United States Bruce Condello Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker
Bruce Condello Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,854 Likes: 3 United States	Thank you very much. Holding a redear sunfish is like running with scissors.

Re: Male vs Female cnbg Bruce Condello #128269 08/06/08 08:32 PM
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 15,999 Likes: 1498 Northwest Ohio - Malinta OH B Bill Cody Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker
Bill Cody Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker B Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 15,999 Likes: 1498 Northwest Ohio - Malinta OH	I assume the copper band on the forehead is more pronounced or visible during spawning season. Does anyone know if the thin white margin on the fins is more pronounced during spawning season?. aka Pond Doctor & Dr. Perca Read Pond Boss Magazine - America's Journal of Pond Management

Re: Male vs Female cnbg ewest #128448 08/07/08 09:47 PM
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jeffh Lunker J Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 95 Yorktown, Tx	Are the yellow belly markings particular to the female?

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