Pond Boss Forums POND CONSTRUCTION Creating habitat WILL FISH APPEAR IN A FISHLESS POND????

Oh and while I'm at it, we only use the adhesive egg technique to move GSF populations around the globe.

The GSA recruits new members via the time honor traditions of education, encouragement, commaradie, and "making people offers they can't refuse."

Fuhgeddaboudit. My kneecaps hurt just thinking about it.

Thanks for the membership into the GREEN SUN FISH ASSOCIATION. I will try and act right at the meetings and not make a mule out of myself.

SECOND Enough is enough this morning at seven cst The question will be put to BOB LUSK will fish appear in a fishless pond.

OTTO

I wonder if Bob knows how long GSF eggs might have adhesive qualities after they are fertilized? The whole notion of "transfered by birds" will depend on that anwser. If adhesiveness is only a few minutes then it's highly unlikely, a few hours or few days then the odds of wading heron transfering GSF eggs becomes much greater. This sounds like a good research topic for one of Dr. Willis's students.

I could volunteer my pond. I think a good way to research it would be to do a post mortem examination on the feet and legs of 100 GBH's.

Even if the eggs remained sticky for a long time we should probably assume they would already be stuck to something when a bird waded by. I think transferring a sticky but delicate fish egg from one object to another would be likely to cause mechanical damage.

i think bob is WISELY staying away from this subject

edited post......gw....it only takes two to tango.....

Many fish eggs have adhesive qualities especially in the scatter spawners (shad , shiners and others). I have been checking on Shorty's article and can confirm that unknown to me GSF and other Lepomis eggs do have an adhesive quality. But the research notes and many articles confirm that a host of very specific conditions must be maintained for eggs to be viable and hatch. I do not believe that fish eggs can be transported by birds or animals from one pond to another and remain viable.

Okay, if ewest and I both agree on this I don't imagine there's a need for further discussion.





THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN CLOSED.

I come from Minnesota/Wisconsin. Virtually all of the 15-20 thousand lakes in those two states, plus the thousands in Upper Michigan, Ontario, and Manitoba were filled with the same kinds of fish when my grandparents arrived on this continent. Most of these waters are landlocked. Somehow the same kinds of fish appeared in all of them -- northern pike, muskellunge, walleye, perch, bluegill, suckers, and on and on . . . The walleye, northern, perch, and bluegill that I caught in Kenora, Ontario, didn't look or taste any different than those I caught near Iron River, WI., or near Iron River, MI. That is at least a 600 mile radius of landlocked waters.

Something transferred them.

Or they were connected at some time.

There would have been quite different elevations and a lot of melt water when the last ice age's glaciers retreated.

If you want to go WAY back in time then we have to consider the influence of man. I don't know if birds will instinctively seed a body of water with fish, but I'm pretty sure that our ancestors would have thought of it.

O K,Ill have to fess up.I went back in time and stock fish everywhere

ewest wrote:

You are probably right ewest, when I stumbled across the adhesive nature of GSF eggs it made me have some second thoughts. If I were to guess I suspect that the adhesive nature of lepomis egss is very short lived. I would not be suprised to find out that once an egg is fertilized that the protien coating in the exterior of the egg changes very rapidly and is no longer adhesive after less than a minute or so. Keep in mind that this is just an educated guess as I have nothing to back it up with.

Adhesive lepomis eggs would explain why I saw a couple of smaller BG last year scraping the river rock with their mouths in the center of a BG nest while the mature male was distracted by my presence.

FYI normal hatch time for BG eggs from fertilization to hatch is 2 days. It changes with temp , water clarity etc. Most other Lepomis eggs have similar characteristics .

When BOB LUSK was asked WHERE FISH COME FROM? He said he did not know where they come from!!!!

This could have been over but the discussion is a long way from done.

OTTO

I think pond building contractors carry buckets of Bullheads and Green Sunfish in their trucks.

At least they're half good.


(That joke was in no way aimed at Otto, a man I fear)

What has happened. This site has keep me alive when things get tough and I feel a alone Checking in on the discussion is really a boost.

OTTO

Racoons will try to create new food sources they weave baskets out of catails and carry fish to other ponds....LOL

The storks bring them in just like you and I got here. It's a no brainer guys.

Meteors.

Another story.
Dan Bolin is almost in west Texas.
Large Lake about ten miles away.
No water up stream and none very close down stream.

Dan and right hand man Larry Williams, draining two ponds and both have several varieties of fish.

You tell me.

otto

I know over the years there has been debate on this forum about fish eggs being transported by birds to ponds that had not been stocked. I couldn�t remember if this paper published this summer had been brought up.. The study below involved eggs from the killifish passing through the GI system of a swan and remaining not only viable, but able to develop into a fish. Now I guess the question is can it happen with other species?
https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ecy.2774

I had a housing development lake electrofished and it turned out that the channel cats were actually bullheads. Pond stocker made out well on that deal (and no, I don't know who it was).