Bill, just give us all 13 pages - it will be at least 12.5 pages of great info we'll learn from. I'm trying to decide what kind of Channel Cat/LMB mix I want in the pond next year (and therefore how many Cats to remove) for the opposite long term goal - production of large bluegills and redears. Short term goal is reduction of golden shiner numbers to convert their biomass into edible fish. I anxiously await your post.