Pond Boss
Posted By: george1 Pond Fishing Flies - 01/17/14 10:42 PM
My defintion of a fishing fly is anything that can be cast with a fly rod on a fly line - what is yours - dry flies, wet, streamers, poppers, pellet flies, earth worms, etc...?

Yeah, we are the ONLY fly fishing forum in the country that is that inclusive!



http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=92618#Post92618

Let the games begin - post pictures of you favorite pond flies?

Now that we are getting our fly gear together and visiting the big box stores, check out some flies. First ones I bought were from WallyMart - a couple of Miss Prissy and H&H Bayou Bug poppers and a couple or so flies - this will get you started.

The most productive “fly” for feed trained BG, HSB, and LMB is Cecile Bairds Pantyhose Pellet "fly" - easy to put together. Just wrap a AQMX 600 fish food pellet in a piece of pantyhose - tie off the tit with a few half hitches, put on a hook and cast into your pond - hang on - fish on!

A handy imitation is a Stubby Steve pellet - as good or better product ever invented!
After you get your tackle ready and learn to cast on the grass - go fish!
Have fun!
George






Posted By: lassig Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/18/14 01:13 PM
Clouser Minnow, Stubby Steves, and spider are my go to. Need to try and tie up some pellet flies, I am visual person so maybe someone can post pictures of tying this fly.
Posted By: sprkplug Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/18/14 01:42 PM
Ah, the venerable Miss Prissy. I don't fly fish, but have used this bug in black/chartreuse many times on my spinning gear, casting to bedding gills.

Alas, Accardo lures went belly up, and so went the Miss Prissy. I have purchased a few poppers that were advertised as replacements for this design, but thus far I haven't found one that works nearly as well as the original.
Posted By: Lovnlivin Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/18/14 02:20 PM
Completely new at this, learning on a borrowed fly rig (and have no idea what the wt of the line is), and only knowing what I've seen on TV about fly-fishing, I've always thought of a "fly" as a lure that just stays on the top of the water when it lands and during the retrieve. But am I correct in that fly-fishing can include below surface flies, sinking flies, etc.? And I'm using the term "Fly" as anything being used at the end of the fly line.

After several casts my fly would start to sink and I would pull it in, dry it off and cast again.

Can you explain the various methods?

Also, I started to learn how to roll-cast (if that's the right term), to hit different spots without having to bring all the line in and re-cast. But if the "fly" is below surface or even near the bottom, will it still retrieve as easily, allowing a roll-cast? That is, if flies are even meant to be used sub-surface.

So my question is on explaining the dry-fly, wet-fly, surface and below surface (floating, suspended, sinking, etc.) fly-fishing.

PS to George (and others), thank you so much for initiating this and taking the time to get this going! Especially for new-be's like me that discovered the thrill of fly-fishing, and hopefully enticing others to try it and realize it's not just something done in streams for trout!



Posted By: esshup Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/18/14 04:06 PM
A little bird told me that George uses this to catch HSB in his pond.


I also heard that George is keeping some secrets in his fly box.....




Although I think my favorites are these:


wink grin
Posted By: george1 Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/18/14 06:57 PM
Originally Posted By: lassig
Clouser Minnow, Stubby Steves, and spider are my go to. Need to try and tie up some pellet flies, I am visual person so maybe someone can post pictures of tying this fly.

OK, I’ll tie up a Cecil’s pantyhose pellet fly for you and take pictures.
You can tie up a half dozen or so by the time you read this post, but don’t last as long on the hook as Stubby Steves.
Over the years I have caught hundreds of every species of fish in our ponds except our Florida LMB - they are reserved strictly for my Spinster and Dusty Abney’s UDF deer hair bass bug... grin

Panty hose can be used to encase fish food pellets and/or closed cell foam pellets – each has it’s own use and advantage
I like the foam version best when sight fishing and need a floating fly.
The disadvantage is that in clear water the fish get hook-shy fast.

The fish food version is my go to pellet fly, fished on a heavier hook so they will slowly sink. In our Texas turbid water the fish are attracted by smell and not by sight.
Try ‘em – you’ll like them.
George





Posted By: lassig Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/19/14 02:29 AM
Thanks George, something else I have to do this winter.
Posted By: Txredraider Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/20/14 03:08 PM
Wow, I go to the frozen north for a few days and George gets a fly fishing forum started, gets everyone all fired up about flingin' flies, and then leads you down the path of tying pellet flies! You miss a week, you miss a lot.

In all seriousness, I've found that I enjoy this weird little sport a lot more by not getting sucked into the "purist" mindset that there is only one way to do something. Keeping an open mind and a good attitude seems to allow fly fishing to stay enjoyable and not turn into something ugly like g*lf. smile

George sets a great example for keeping our eyes out for the unconventional styles and techniques.
Posted By: Txredraider Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/20/14 05:44 PM
Originally Posted By: Lovnlivin
Completely new at this, learning on a borrowed fly rig (and have no idea what the wt of the line is), and only knowing what I've seen on TV about fly-fishing, I've always thought of a "fly" as a lure that just stays on the top of the water when it lands and during the retrieve. But am I correct in that fly-fishing can include below surface flies, sinking flies, etc.? And I'm using the term "Fly" as anything being used at the end of the fly line.

After several casts my fly would start to sink and I would pull it in, dry it off and cast again.

Can you explain the various methods?

Also, I started to learn how to roll-cast (if that's the right term), to hit different spots without having to bring all the line in and re-cast. But if the "fly" is below surface or even near the bottom, will it still retrieve as easily, allowing a roll-cast? That is, if flies are even meant to be used sub-surface.

So my question is on explaining the dry-fly, wet-fly, surface and below surface (floating, suspended, sinking, etc.) fly-fishing.

PS to George (and others), thank you so much for initiating this and taking the time to get this going! Especially for new-be's like me that discovered the thrill of fly-fishing, and hopefully enticing others to try it and realize it's not just something done in streams for trout!




Keith, I'll see if I can get those questions answered for you. Please keep in mind that these are just my opinions and not set in stone facts.

Most of the "flies" that people think of when they hear fly fishing are "dries", in other words, they are meant to be fished on the surface of the water. Most of the smaller dry flies achieve floatation by being very light weight and having a lot of surface area to allow them to be supported by the surface tension of the water. If the material in a dry fly soaks up water, it can become heavy enough to break the surface tension and sink. This is not always a bad thing. Dry flies often are designed to mimic small flying insects that have landed on the water (e.g. mayflies, dragonflies, and even mosquitoes). In the course of insect events, it isn't at all unlikely that some of them will sink into the water column. If you fish with the extra purist folk, it is apparently considered "bad sport" to fish a dry fly underwater. Obviously, those folks just don't want to catch fish badly enough. smile

Personally, I also count frogs, mice, and hoppers as dry flies, but I've always been a little odd.

As for getting a dry fly to float again, you can add some sort of "flotant" product to make it shed water better, dry it in a specially designed powder, or just false cast it a few times to let the air dry it.

Wet flies, some of which are also called streamers, are designed for use under water. Nymphs, Clouser minnows, and woolly buggers are commonly used examples of wet flies.

Wet flies are sometimes weighted when tied, however some are more neutrally buoyant. If you want to get a wet fly down deep (6 feet or more) in a reasonable amount of time, you will usually need a sinking fly line of some type. You can fish almost as deep with a sinking fly line as you can with conventional fishing gear, but it requires a bit more patience.

It's usually accepted to refer to anything lashed onto the end of a tippet as a fly.

The technique used to fish any of these artificials is totally dependent on what kind of fish you want to catch and where in the water column they are located. You'll hear the tired old cliche "match the hatch" thrown around a lot in fly fishing. It's tired and old because it's true. "Match the hatch" usually refers to selecting a fly that looks most like what your target fish are eating. I also think of it meaning you need to match the behavior of the bait that you are trying to mimic.

For example, if the largemouth bass on your pond are smacking dragonflies on the surface, not only do you want to find a fly that is similar in size and color to the dragonflies they are eating, you also want to land it on the water and twitch it about to closely match how the live bait is acting.

If you can't tell what kind of bait they're chasing, sometimes using a wet fly as a "search" lure can work similar to using a RattLtrap or a spinnerbait to figure out where the fish are and what they're taking.

I also like to mimic wounded prey, such as a shad or a frog. Sometimes the fish want to strike at something that's making a lot of noise and sometimes they prefer to stalk something that is barely making any disturbance at all. You know how moody fish can be.

One thing that someone else told me early on about fly presentation has really helped on my hook-setting: don't use the rodtip to impart a lot of action to the way you're presenting the fly. Instead, use the way you strip the line in to put the motion in your presentation. Keep the rodtip pointed at where your fly line meets the water. This keeps slack out of your line. The tighter the connection is between your stripping hand and the hook point, the better chance you'll have of getting that good hook set.

With regard to roll casting wet flies, that is certainly a viable way to cast them, but, depending on how deep they are when you begin the roll cast, you might have to roll cast once to bring them to the surface, and then once more to actually place the fly where you want it to end up.

Please let me know if that answered all your questions and feel free to ask for clarification. Hopefully, if I muddied the water too badly, someone else can jump in here and help us both.
Posted By: Lovnlivin Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/20/14 07:48 PM
Txredraider, you far and beyond answered all my questions!

Excellent response and thank you for taking the time!

Keith
Posted By: teehjaeh57 Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/20/14 08:56 PM
Originally Posted By: george1
Originally Posted By: lassig
Clouser Minnow, Stubby Steves, and spider are my go to. Need to try and tie up some pellet flies, I am visual person so maybe someone can post pictures of tying this fly.

OK, I’ll tie up a Cecil’s pantyhose pellet fly for you and take pictures.
You can tie up a half dozen or so by the time you read this post, but don’t last as long on the hook as Stubby Steves.
Over the years I have caught hundreds of every species of fish in our ponds except our Florida LMB - they are reserved strictly for my Spinster and Dusty Abney’s UDF deer hair bass bug... grin

Panty hose can be used to encase fish food pellets and/or closed cell foam pellets – each has it’s own use and advantage
I like the foam version best when sight fishing and need a floating fly.
The disadvantage is that in clear water the fish get hook-shy fast.

The fish food version is my go to pellet fly, fished on a heavier hook so they will slowly sink. In our Texas turbid water the fish are attracted by smell and not by sight.
Try ‘em – you’ll like them.
George







G/All: What's your preferred size/style/brand of hook for highest % positive hookups and reduced weight to allow a good drift vs. slow sink? This would be great info for the forum!
Posted By: george1 Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/20/14 10:00 PM
Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
Originally Posted By: george1
Originally Posted By: lassig
Clouser Minnow, Stubby Steves, and spider are my go to. Need to try and tie up some pellet flies, I am visual person so maybe someone can post pictures of tying this fly.

OK, I’ll tie up a Cecil’s pantyhose pellet fly for you and take pictures.
You can tie up a half dozen or so by the time you read this post, but don’t last as long on the hook as Stubby Steves.
Over the years I have caught hundreds of every species of fish in our ponds except our Florida LMB - they are reserved strictly for my Spinster and Dusty Abney’s UDF deer hair bass bug... grin

Panty hose can be used to encase fish food pellets and/or closed cell foam pellets – each has it’s own use and advantage
I like the foam version best when sight fishing and need a floating fly.
The disadvantage is that in clear water the fish get hook-shy fast.

The fish food version is my go to pellet fly, fished on a heavier hook so they will slowly sink. In our Texas turbid water the fish are attracted by smell and not by sight.
Try ‘em – you’ll like them.
George







G/All: What's your preferred size/style/brand of hook for highest % positive hookups and reduced weight to allow a good drift vs. slow sink? This would be great info for the forum!

T.J., I don’t over think pellet fly hooks - early on I just used what was handy until I found some “bait” hooks in my tackle box.

I now use WallyWorld #6 or 8 Mustad 9641 bait hooks for sinkers - you know, the kind with barbs on the shank.
I will not use a floating fly for HSB - they strike so hard the wake will knock the fly away and no hook-up.
Pressured BG will get hook shy when floating flies are used. For surface flies, I use foam pellets with short shank #6 Gamakaysu Drop Shot hooks.

About the only time I will use a floating pellet fly is when I find GC eating pellets - they will just sip the fly - then hang on for a wild ride! grin

Hook size for BG pellet flies are angler choice - I like a larger hook in order to manage CNBG sizes to cull…. 5 to 8 inchers for me.

We can discuss hooks for other flies down the road?
George
Posted By: george1 Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/21/14 12:25 PM
We have been talking about pellet flies – panty hose encased foam and fish pellets.
A good or better option exists with Stubby Steve pellets for those that don’t enjoy DIY.
Mrs. G swears by them and when she out fishes me (most often) I switch in a hurry!



Posted By: StanV Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/21/14 03:33 PM
Can those Stubby Steve's worms be fly fished? Will they stay on a hook through several casts?

Most of my bass are under 3#'s.
Posted By: george1 Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/21/14 03:57 PM
Originally Posted By: StanV
Can those Stubby Steve's worms be fly fished? Will they stay on a hook through several casts?

Most of my bass are under 3#'s.

Stubby Steve pellets will stay on a hook when fly fished and last longer than a AQMX PH pellet fly.
I highly recommend them for all feed trained species.
No luck on Florida LMB on Stubbys for me however.
G/
Posted By: StanV Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/21/14 04:14 PM
We don't pellet feed our fish. I reckon it's time I learned to tie a streamer for bass...something to cast with a 5wt.

I'm thinking something with a frayed rope, or something. Can you tell I don't know? grin
Posted By: Cisco Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/21/14 04:25 PM
It appears that most (if not all) of you tie your own flies. Is it a necessity to get into fly tying also? I'm sure I'm capable but know absolutely nothing about it.
Posted By: esshup Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/21/14 04:32 PM
Cisco, I've dabbled in tying my own, but for times sake I'll buy 'em. George gave me some and they work fantastic. There is a satisfaction that comes from catching a fish on something you made.
Posted By: george1 Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/21/14 04:38 PM
Originally Posted By: StanV
We don't pellet feed our fish. I reckon it's time I learned to tie a streamer for bass...something to cast with a 5wt.

I'm thinking something with a frayed rope, or something. Can you tell I don't know? grin

Stan, fishing for bass with a 5wt flyrod is like going bear hunting with a peach tree switch... laugh
It can be done tho, but not by the weak of heart...small olive wooly buggers, grasshoppers, small streamers, etc..
Dusty and Al need to chime in about now - they fish with 3 wt fly tackle at times..crazy

I'm a heavy tackle guy for bass - we'll get to that subject once interested folks get their tackle in shape and learn to cast.

I have a couple of on-line fly shops that that I can recommend to provide affordable good quality flies when this thread gets ready.
http://anglersdream.net/default.aspx

George
Posted By: Txredraider Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/21/14 05:05 PM
I do enjoy my 3wt quite a bit and suckered Al into trying it a couple of months ago, so now he's got that bug too. I don't target bass with it, though, instead, it's my bream stick. One of those bream like George raises that have foreheads are a ball on a 3wt. If you happen to catch a small to medium bream on the 3wt and a bigger bass sees an easy meal, that can be exciting to say the least!

As for flies on the lighter tackle, I use pretty much the same ones I use on the big stick, just downsized. For instance, where I might use a Clouser with a hooks size of 1/0 or 1 on my big Mini Mag, I might throw a size 8 Clouser with my 3wt. The same thing would be true for poppers, or any other fly.

It should also be noted that with a 3wt, you're going to fling flies down in the range of size that most people consider true fly fishing and not the huge furry monstrosities that we chuck and duck at bass. You'll also be surprised to learn first hand that decent size bass sometimes slurp up a dragonfly nymph tied on a size 10 hook.

Remember to not go crazy with tippet size on lighter tackle. Your tippet should be the weak link in the chain between your stripping hand and the fish's mouth. If you're fishing for bream near heavier cover, you'll be better off with a tippet you can break off instead of taking the chance of hanging up, and possibly killing, a good bass that you've worked so hard to grow.

With regard to tying your own flies, I look at that like I do reloading ammunition. The average person isn't going to reload enough or tie enough flies to do it more inexpensively than a company that can take advantage of the economies of scale associated with mass production. What fly tying or reloading does offer is the ability to custom tailor your hobby's "consumables" to your specific wants or needs. I love to tinker, so both of these activities fit me well.

Fly tying can also help to keep you sane in the months when the fishing is slow due to heat or cold. There is some great fellowship associated with sitting around with others of a similar bent and lashing materials to a hook while you talk about life, liberty, and the pursuit of fishin'.

Just remember that your fly fishing career can be as simple or as complicated as you want it to be. There are a lot of great local and online places to buy pre-tied flies and there's no shame in using those. Find what you enjoy and go to it!
Posted By: StanV Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/21/14 05:16 PM
Originally Posted By: george1
Originally Posted By: StanV
We don't pellet feed our fish. I reckon it's time I learned to tie a streamer for bass...something to cast with a 5wt.

I'm thinking something with a frayed rope, or something. Can you tell I don't know? grin

Stan, fishing for bass with a 5wt flyrod is like going bear hunting with a peach tree switch... laugh

I'm a heavy tackle guy for bass - we'll get to that subject once interested folks get their tackle in shape and learn to cast.


George


I've bass fished for over 40 years and know if I hang a monster I'm pushing my luck with the 5wt....however, this lake is bass heavy and most of our bass are 12" and under. We're working to reduce that class of fish in order to start catching larger fish. I do worm fish exclusively with a spinning rod, because we have zero cover on this lake except for docks and fish structure I've placed.

I'm loving this fly fishing thang!
Posted By: FireIsHot Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/22/14 01:42 PM
For you fly tying guys, here's Bob Clouser showing how to tie his Clouser Minnow.

It can be tied on any sized hook, with any color combo, and using most any type material. It's an ubiquitous fly that catches almost anything that swims.

It's a great fly to start with, and it's easy to tie. I just match the colors to my FHM and CNBG, depending on what I'm after.

Clouser Minnow
Posted By: george1 Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/22/14 03:46 PM
Just a friendly reminder of a simple set of pond flies - Al's post above of Clouser is on far right in photo.



As Al says, the Clouser is simple, a quick and easy tie - and a killer fly!
Hardware store bead chain can be used for eyes.
Al, thanks for the post - very helpful!
G/
Posted By: Cisco Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/22/14 03:54 PM
Great! Just ordered a rod yesterday, now I have to get some tying gear. Just what I needed, another hobby. Just kiddin guys, this is going to be fun! (I hope)
Posted By: vamaz Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/23/14 12:32 AM
Really enjoying this thread, George. I broke out my fly tying kit for the first time in more than a few years and am trying to remember what I'd learned then. Almost forgot how enjoyable it is to tie something and the anticipation of fishing it. Also trying to teach my son what little I know, but he seems to be really enjoying it anyway grin

Al, what colors of bucktail do you use for your Clouser Minnows to mimic the FHM and BG? We watched your link and would like to try that next.
Posted By: esshup Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/23/14 01:02 AM
Originally Posted By: george1
I have a couple of on-line fly shops that that I can recommend to provide affordable good quality flies when this thread gets ready.
http://anglersdream.net/default.aspx

George


George, their prices are pretty good compared to the local shops!
Posted By: george1 Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/23/14 04:05 PM
Originally Posted By: esshup
Originally Posted By: george1
I have a couple of on-line fly shops that that I can recommend to provide affordable good quality flies when this thread gets ready.
http://anglersdream.net/default.aspx

George

George, their prices are pretty good compared to the local shops!

Warning!
Fly tying can become addictive – don’t say that I didn’t warn you!
I told you to purchase flies – don’t even think about tyin!

I’m a dummy and didn’t listen – got hooked with first fly I learned to tie!
Charlie Cypert’s Mylar Minnow!
All I needed was an inexpensive Cabelas tyin’ vise and couple of tools, some mylar braid from JoAnn’s fabric store and some Mrs. G’s yarn and I was hooked!
Don’t say I didn’t warn you!
George

http://texasriverbum.com/tying-the-super-cypret-minnow

http://texasfishingforum.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2610787/Re_Jig_Hook_Mylar_Minnow

Posted By: teehjaeh57 Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/23/14 05:56 PM
George

Cabelas and other outlets offer many fly tying "kits" and the choices are pretty confusing to newbies. It might be helpful to provide a list of bare essentials to get started and an approximate price your experience dictates one should expect to spend. It's so easy to go overboard and pay for stuff a beginner doesn't need.

Can you provide some links to examples of:

Vice - do you prefer clamp on or stand up model?
Light
Is magnifier important?
Hook brand recommendation
Good ideas for basic starting materials [thread, hackle, etc.]
Other tools necessary [bobbin, thread [size/color?], scissors, etc.]

If there is a solid kit of good quality you could recommend, that would be helpful. Thanks in advance, George!
Posted By: Cisco Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/23/14 07:31 PM
The latest sale flyer this week from BassPro actually has an either/or clamp and some other tools or a materials type kits on sale for 25.00 each. I think I'll try to cast before I get into it too far.
Posted By: george1 Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/23/14 09:29 PM

TJ, that’s really a good question - there’s a bunch of PB folks interested in that question.

I believe that you are hiding your “light under a bushel” and can contribute to this subject as well as me - I know that Al, Dusty and others can contribute as well.
I am an old fashioned “use it up, make it do, wear it out guy ..

For starters, I don’t like “kits” - I started tying bucktail jigs many years before flies with a clamp on Cabelas Master vise, a spool of nylon thread, bobbin and inexpensive scissors.
Served me well and still use som of the same stuff, but upgraded as time went on.
George

Cabelas and other outlets offer many fly tying "kits" and the choices are pretty confusing to newbies. It might be helpful to provide a list of bare essentials to get started and an approximate price your experience dictates one should expect to spend. It's so easy to go overboard and pay for stuff a beginner doesn't need.

Can you provide some links to examples of:
Vice - do you prefer clamp on or stand up model?

Clamp-on if desk or table handy – otherwise stand up if heavy pricy base.

Light
Desk light..

Is magnifier important?
Large flies no – small flies yes..

Hook brand recommendation
“It All Depends” on size and style of fly

Good ideas for basic starting materials [thread, hackle, etc.]I like Danville’s Flat Waxed Nylon for large flies and Danville’s Flymaster thread
(the larger the number, the smaller the thred)
Feathers (hackle) fur, synthetics – too numerous to list – I use “roadkill/hunterkill when can find it.

Other tools necessary [bobbin, thread [size/color?], scissors, etc.]
If there s a solid kit of good quality you could recommend, that would be helpful.

I normally don’t like kits but other may.
Here’s a list of stuff from Cabelas – Bass Pro likely similar.

Cabela's Master Vise - $29.99
Cabela's Bobbin - $3.99
Bobbin Threader -$2.19
Small Fiskers scissors –~$12.00
About $50.00 bucks for a start but $50,00 bucks will buy a lot of flies

Don’t buy a bunch of stuff to start with – lots of stuff from Craft and Fabric Stores – Hobby lobby has lot of foam and feathers
Some of this stuff most folks have around the house – keep it simple.

Learn Lefty Kreh’s hand whip finish method.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqT33lzdirY

OK, Al, Dusty and others – HELP…….
Posted By: FireIsHot Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/23/14 11:18 PM
I started with one of those $39 all-in-one Cabelas kits. It came with most everything to get started but a hair stacker, but that's not a necessity for sure.

I quickly figured out the non-rotating vice wasn't the easiest way to tie flies, so I got a Peak for around $150, and I've been very happy with it. I just can't see ever spending the money for a Dyna-King or a Renzetti. They're very, very nice, but we are talking about pond fish here.

What I did spend a little extra on was a Griffin ceramic bobbin. It's around $13 and it helps keep me from fraying thread.

Fly tying thread? Uni or Danville are both good and about the same cost. I usually only keep red, black, and white. A magic marker can do wonders if you're inclined to change colors.

As far as tools, I've tried them all including Dr. Slick, and I use stainless steel surgery tools I get at the gun shows. Very sharp, and very cheap. $2 for the scissors and stats I use.

You'll need glue, and super glue works as well as any.

Where you can really save or spend money is on materials. I usually go with George's suggestions, but places like Hobby Lobby really do help cut costs. For example, if your wanting to tie a floating foam bug of some type, you can spend $3 on a pair of precut bodies, or 98 cents on a whole sheet of sticky back foam at Hobby Lobby. One sheet could last forever.
Posted By: Yolk Sac Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/24/14 01:09 AM
TJ-
All great advice so far.
If you're interested, there's a great book I used to learn to tie flies when I was a kid-"Western Trout Fly Tying Manual", by Jack Dennis. Talk about making a guy feel old-I got my first edition copy as a teenager in the mid 70's, I remember the foward was written by Curt Gowdy about what a fine "young man" Jack Dennis was. I looked on Amazon to see if it was still available, and I see that Mr. Dennis is now retired!

Anyway, it's a great book to introduce fly tying. Don't let the "Western Trout" part of the title put you off, the pictures and instructions are excellent, and there's very good information about materials, tools, basic techniques. My first creations looked like mutated hummingbirds on #8 hooks, but I could tie credible #18s after a couple months of dedicated effort-when I could afford the #18 hackles, that is.
Posted By: FireIsHot Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/24/14 01:20 AM
Yolk, I'm glad you brought up a book. I'm looking for "The Complete Fly Tier" by Reuben Cross. It's an out of print book by who was supposedly the most the technically perfect fly tier of all time. I really don't care about the specific flies he tied either, but like your recommendation, it's the instruction I'm after.

He had fat fingers too, so it's right in my wheelhouse.
Posted By: Zep Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/24/14 01:49 AM
Originally Posted By: FireIsHot
Yolk, I'm glad you brought up a book.
I'm looking for "The Complete Fly Tier" by Reuben Cross. It's an out of print book


e-Bay #1 - "The Complete Fly Tier", Reuben Cross

e-Bay #2 - "The Complete Fly Tier", Reuben Cross
Posted By: FireIsHot Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 01/24/14 02:07 AM
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Posted By: george1 Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 02/03/14 04:20 PM
Originally Posted By: catmandoo
George -- I'd certainly be glad to see more info from, as you call yourself, a "non-elite."

As I mentioned to you at the first Pond Boss Conference, I cast like I learned who to use a bull whip. No finesse. I mostly don't use flies -- I like to use redworms from my compost pile. As a consequence, I just use a flyrod setup to try and trick fish by using worms on a very light tippet/leader, without any weights, and without any kind of bobber. I'd be embarassed to do this in public waters where somebody might see me.Ken

Courtesy of Texas Fishing Forum:
Originally Posted By: kaboboom
I was cleaning up around the vice this morning, and I think I tied the best fly named after a famous fly fishing story. If you've ever read the Big Two-Hearted River, I give you the Big Two-Hearted Worm.



Hemingway wrote this story when he was 25, and I read it when I was probably 12. Looking back at it, there are a couple of mysteries, one that is well know...that Hemingway really was describing his secret spot on the nearby Fox River. But the other mystery is why Hemingway's Nick Adams took all the trouble to use cat gut leaders, but when it came to flies, he used grasshoppers, and that would be the real ones.

Just discovered Ernest Hemingway fished with live grasshoppers.
Ken, betcha would you would use a live grasshopper and know Brian (highflyer) fishes with them with great expertise.
George

Posted By: Txredraider Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 02/03/14 06:54 PM
Not only is fishing with live hoppers fun, it is also a great way to get smaller kids interested in any kind of fishing. My daughter and I have a great time catching the hoppers, threading them on a hook and tossing them out there for the fish to smash. Sometimes we don't even put them on a hook, we just feed the fish. We have a lot of fun and we get to discuss how the grass, hoppers, and fish fit into the pasture/pond ecosystem.

Should you decide to venture down this path, do yourself a huge favor and invest in a butterfly net. The net will greatly improve your catch rate on the hoppers and reduce the amount of time you spend teaching the children new vocabulary because the hoppers continue to escape your grasp.

If the small person(s) that you're fishing with is a bit small to be trusted with fly-pole, you can always use a good sized bobber to cast the hoppers out on conventional gear.
Posted By: timshufflin Re: Pond Fishing Flies - 03/24/14 10:23 PM
This will be my first year attempting to fly fish a pond. I'll be going after common rainbow trout and golden rainbows. I've fly fished for years in lakes and streams, for trout only, and can't wait to be able to enhance my skills right in my own backyard.

I have a feeling that a pellet fly is going to be the top dog but I hope I'll be able to catch them on some other offerings.
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