I was gonna guess the perspective of the photo to show the verts as 4 x 4's. As 6 x 6's, that lends perspective to illustrate one big-a-- pier! Congrats on a beauty. Did you happen to see the pix of the nice cover that Jeff built on his project? It is inspiring. Pier, 2nd post this pg With regard to the launch, I am sticking with the concrete pour. If ever there was a concrete job that did not require an artisan to correctly finish it, this would be it. If ya think about it, the more you screw up the finish, the better it will be for traction! I intend to use a landscape rake to booger the finish.