I think you guys are great! I think you're politely telling me that what I thought were HBG are GSF and what I thought were CC are BH ! I'm cracking up and super glad I put "Newbie" as my middle name! I don't think the flooding event brought in the GSF, if I'm comparing all the attributes correctly, my last post has "Fish 3" pic in it and it sounds like that's a GSF? So now it sounds like I better research the spawning data on GSF and cull the GH which are now about 12". It looks like the quickest way to tell BH and CC apart is the forked tail, so I'll check that out. Great stuff....thanks guys!