Thanks for the ideas guys, Im going to rig up some kinda bird spikes, I dont mind them getting a few and it would probably be fun to watch but the feeder has only been out a couple weeks and its covered in big bird poop along with pellets of fish bones and scales, I havent walked up on it yet without running a bird off of it, I think they just take advantage of the perch in a strategic spot.

All the really good ideas I've ever had came to me while I was milking a cow.