Thanks for the reply Dave you are in agreeance with me on these carp I have a little trick I use to catch these monsters.I just go down to the grocery store and buy a can of artichockes.Put them on some 50 pound test spider wire with a treble hook tie that to a good stout flexable limb throw it in some of the weeds that are left and walk away.Check it the next day and I usually have something to filet and give to the inlaws.Well better go that red head is giving me the eye. Doc


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